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  • mr.thraz
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    #21
    Originally posted by -Lightsout-
    I didn't even mention those two, but according to your logic he doesn't even have to fight the best guys in his division.
    Do you have any idea how long Gerald was chasing him?
    i love the g-man but toney was high on the list in those days. and afterword... well lets not talk about the g-man

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    • Toney616
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      #22
      Originally posted by mr.thraz
      i love the g-man but toney was high on the list in those days. and afterword... well lets not talk about the g-man
      Which stops me from making the point I was going to make, lol
      Gerald McClellan:
      Discuss the history of the sport and the boxers that made the sport.

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      • SirTomJones
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        #23
        Jones Jr should have fought Benn. Would have been great.


        I really think that his later fighters have really hindered Roy's reputation despite him clearly being past it

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        • Toney616
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          #24
          Originally posted by Sir TomJones
          Jones Jr should have fought Benn. Would have been great.


          I really think that his later fighters have really hindered Roy's reputation despite him clearly being past it
          Ive never seen a fighter crash and burn like Jones did. I still think the Tarver II,III and Johnson losses should be included when evaluating his career.

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          • SirTomJones
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            #25
            Yeah a lot of people talk about his skill but others point to his athletic ability.

            His althletic ability which he depended on is the reason he has 'crashed and burned'.

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            • CarlosG815
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              #26
              Who did Jones fight instead of the fighters listed, and why did he fight the fighters that he fought? Was it their ranking, or they weren't marketable names, etc...?

              Why did he duck them, and had he fought them and not the person he fought, would he be known to "duck" the other fighter?

              Explain....

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              • Toney616
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                #27
                Originally posted by Sir TomJones
                Yeah a lot of people talk about his skill but others point to his athletic ability.

                His althletic ability which he depended on is the reason he has 'crashed and burned'.
                Good point. Like Ali he was seriously technically flawed, but able to get away with it because of his athletic ability. Once he started to slow down(Harmon fight) those flaws really started to get exposed

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                • Toney616
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by CarlosG815
                  Who did Jones fight instead of the fighters listed, and why did he fight the fighters that he fought? Was it their ranking, or they weren't marketable names, etc...?
                  Originally posted by CarlosG815
                  Why did he duck them, and had he fought them and not the person he fought, would he be known to "duck" the other fighter?
                  Explain....
                  Look at this way, he was given a HBO contract worth around 30m/6 years, which guarenteed him around $1.6m no matter who he fought. If you are getting that for fighting soft mandos, the chances are when a high risk fight is put your way, you are going to ask for a lot of money, even a unrealistic amount of money hence:
                  Steve Collins:
                  DUBLIN, Ireland (Oct 8, 1997 - 16:05 EDT) -- WBC light-heavyweight
                  champion Roy Jones Jr. wants to fight Ireland's
                  Steve Collins, who announced his surprise retirement last week.

                  Collins, the former WBO super-middleweight champ, said he regretted
                  never having fought the American champion.

                  Jones' spokesman and publicist, Greg Fritz, said Wednesday the fight can
                  still happen.

                  "Roy has wanted to fight Steve for some time and if the money is right
                  he will," Fritz said. "He wants Steve to come out of
                  retirement to fight him."

                  Fritz said Jones would have to get $5 million for the fight.

                  "We are prepared to come to Dublin, Belfast, Boston, wherever he wants
                  to fight," Fritz said. "At this moment, I'm just waiting
                  for his call. The fight can be made."

                  In the meantime, Fritz said, negotiations are underway for Jones to
                  fight Germany's WBO light-heavyweight champion Dariusz
                  Michalczewski.
                  http://groups.google.com/group/rec.s...83fe01f9ec9280
                  The Collins fight had to be seen as a easy fight for Jones, but he stopped it from happening because he wanted too much money

                  Nunn:
                  Was his mando in 1998 for his wbc lhw belt, Jones would vacate the belt. Jones would say that HBO were not paying him enough to fight Nunn
                  Jirov:
                  HBO and Jirov wanted this fight, Jones would turn it down saying he had to fight his mando Woods instead
                  Tarver:
                  Was his mando in 2000, Jones would continuously right letters to the IBF demanding that Tarver face Harding in a elimination contest, which Tarver lost
                  Gerald
                  He was basically chasing Jones, since Jones turned pro. He wanted to make the fight after he fought Jackson II, that was when Jones decided to move up to smw
                  Discuss the history of the sport and the boxers that made the sport.

                  Jackson
                  Is on record as saying that the fight was there to be made
                  Lewis
                  He had agreed to face Vitali, so this fight was never really a option. Jones knew that which is why he kept calling Lewis out
                  Tyson:
                  Jones would of went no where near Tyson, thats a first round ko win for Tyson
                  Byrd:
                  Im sure he would of been up for it, small hw and much better than ruiz

                  Basically the guys he fought were his mandos and 9/10 they weren't very good
                  Last edited by Toney616; 11-24-2010, 01:28 PM.

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                  • StarshipTrooper
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by joelab75
                    you cannot judge a boxer in his prime alone.
                    Since when?

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                    • bojangles1987
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                      #30
                      I'm as big a Jones fan as there is, but there is no good justification for him being a top 10 ATG, unless you go purely by physical skills.

                      Head to head, pound for pound I guess you could say there aren't ten fighters who would beat him, but that's a stretch too.

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