Ranking Floyd Patterson Above Lennox Lewis, Can It Be Justified?

[Scott9945]

McNeeley, Harris, Rademacher was all undefeated with Rademacher being the Olympic champion & Brian London being a decent fighter, none of them being as bad as Phil Jackson, Lionel Butler, Michael Grant, Frans Botha, Henry Akinwande, Justin Fortune or Zelko Mavrovic,

Patterson may well have been stripped today for avoiding Liston for so long yet Lewis avoided Ruiz for 3yrs before getting stripped, he was stripped for refusing to fight Chris Byrd & Vitali Klitschko

Love the comment about Rademacher being "undefeated".

Grant and Akinwande were miles better than those slugs. Butlet and Fortune weren't even title fights.

[Kid McCoy]

ROFL.... Holmes, Foreman, Witherspoon, Bonecrusher, Hide, Bowe, Sanders, Wlad, Brewster, Byrd, Ruiz & Mooer was all Heavyweight Champion of the World...

Ali was heavyweight champion of the world too. Did Lewis duck him as well? Actually, don't answer that.

Right, so you slate Lewis for facing an old Holyfield and Tyson yet he should have faced even older fighters like Foreman, Witherspoon, Holmes and Bonecrusher (!!). You slate Lewis for fighting mediocre opponents yet he should have faced Ruiz, Hide and Brewster. He can't win. As for Bowe and Moorer, you can't fight guys who avoid you.

INO Bowe vs Dokes was far more worthy than Lewis vs Grant, Botha or Jackson

Do you think it was a worthy title fight?

i don't make excuses for any fighters and who said Patterson was one of my favorite fighters because i didn't.

It is obvious that you are a Lennox Lewis nuthugger and cannot accept that Lewis was stripped of every version of the heavyweight title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders - Sonny Liston was No1 contender for Patterson's Heavyweight Title and Patterson fought Liston, it was the World Boxing Authorities who did not want Liston as champion who had an issue with Liston not Patterson who fought him twice

Yes you do. You make ludicrous attacks on some fighters and bizarre excuses for others. What would you say if Lewis fought someone whose pro record going into the fight was 0-0-0? I think I can guess. Bowe was stripped of his title for refusing to face his #1 contender Lewis and you have a ton of excuses for that. It's obvious you have a major dislike of Lewis for some reason. You have a ready-made excuse for every single fight of his and your list of fighters he supposedly ducked is laughable. By the way, you forgot Roy Jones. Bonecrusher? Witherspoon? Hide? Brewster? lol lol

[mrboxer]

In a HW ATG list?

no it cant be,there is not one heavyweight from pattersons era that would be ranked higher than lewis

[sonnyboyx2]

By my count 12 times (record 7-5) for the undisputed and once for the WBA (record 0-1.) Of course that 12 times includes abhorrent defenses like Rademacher and Brian London.

is that it.. is this your entire case in that Patterson fought Brian London the same Brian London who Muhammad Ali defended his world title against (undisputed).. i have several fights of Brian London including his fight with Johansson in Sweden where London was robbed by the referee as well as his fights with Folley, Quarry, Pastrano, Patterson & Cooper where London gave a very good account of himself... London was a far better fighter than Michael Grant, Botha, Butler, Fortune, Mavrovic or Jackson whom Lewis chose to fight otherwise he would not have received 2 shots at the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world... This thread is "Can Patterson be justified in being ranked ahead of Lewis"... only me has made my case and it is a legitimate case that YES it can be justifiable in ranking Floyd Patterson ahead of Lennox Lewis, i have provided facts and statistics to back up my case for Patterson and the Lewis nuthuggers have came out and their case is... "Patterson fought Brian London" ROFL
The bottom line is that Lewis does not have a case of being a Top 20 Heavyweight otherwise the nuthuggers would state their hero's case for all to see.

[sonnyboyx2]

Ali was heavyweight champion of the world too. Did Lewis duck him as well? Actually, don't answer that.

Right, so you slate Lewis for facing an old Holyfield and Tyson yet he should have faced even older fighters like Foreman, Witherspoon, Holmes and Bonecrusher (!!). You slate Lewis for fighting mediocre opponents yet he should have faced Ruiz, Hide and Brewster. He can't win. As for Bowe and Moorer, you can't fight guys who avoid you.



Do you think it was a worthy title fight?



Yes you do. You make ludicrous attacks on some fighters and bizarre excuses for others. What would you say if Lewis fought someone whose pro record going into the fight was 0-0-0? I think I can guess. Bowe was stripped of his title for refusing to face his #1 contender Lewis and you have a ton of excuses for that. It's obvious you have a major dislike of Lewis for some reason. You have a ready-made excuse for every single fight of his and your list of fighters he supposedly ducked is laughable. By the way, you forgot Roy Jones. Bonecrusher? Witherspoon? Hide? Brewster? lol lol

you have no case to put forward for Lewis being ranked greater than Patterson otherwise you would have put up your case for all to see... so because you have no case you have decided to ridicule me the guy who has put up the legit case for Patterson and labelled me as a "Lewis Hater" roflmao.

No i ain't no hater, i just tell it like it is about every fighter and every now and again i get flak from the "nuthuggers" of certain fighters who i tell the truth about and in many cases that fighter is Lennox Lewis... i have never changed in my view of Lewis and never will, i have never changed in my view about any fighter in that i tell it like it happened.. if you truely believe Lewis ranking to be greater than Patterson's ranking then i am cool with that your entitled to your views just like i am entitled to my views, with the difference between us being that i don't get upset and try to ridicule and slate you over your views, i don't attack you over your views and claim you have a dislike for certain fighters... i have always put up my case with valid legit links & statistics just like in this thread for Floyd Patterson and not once has any nuthugger been able to prove my case to be false or untrue and that has always been the case when Lennox Lewis has been discussed on this forum.

You keep asking do i feel Bowe vs Dokes was a worthy title fight and my answer is... as worthy as Lewis vs Grant, Botha, Mavrovic, Akinwande, Jackson, Tucker or Rahman

What would i say if Lewis was to fight the Olympic champion - i would be betting Felix Savon to tear Lewis another *******.

[sonnyboyx2]

Agreed here. But does fighting for a title more times make him better? Plus in Patterson's time there was no division of titles. Count the number of times they fought for the title if you want to be objective, Will you? Lewis had to unify the titles , Patterson did not face any such dilemma.

Anyways I made my point so if you persist with your opinion I have no issues. May be in your book those 13 times get much more credit, you have good reasons also may be. Its fine. But look at both sides of the coin.

i don't think its a case of "Being Better"... The Topic asks can a case be made for ranking Patterson higher than Lewis.. and i stated the case that Patterson CAN be ranked greater than Lewis.. Yet Kid McCoy and others are giving me flak but they are not putting up a case for Lewis to be ranked greater than Patterson... the claim is that i have a dislike for Lewis and so on yet the truth is that i cannot make a case for Lewis being greater than Patterson just like the other posters on this thread cannot make a case for him... and IMO Undisputed title fights are far greater and more impressive than alphabet title fights

[Tiozzo]

In a HW ATG list?

[Tiozzo]

i don't make excuses for any fighters and who said Patterson was one of my favorite fighters because i didn't.

It is obvious that you are a Lennox Lewis nuthugger and cannot accept that Lewis was stripped of every version of the heavyweight title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders - Sonny Liston was No1 contender for Patterson's Heavyweight Title and Patterson fought Liston, it was the World Boxing Authorities who did not want Liston as champion who had an issue with Liston not Patterson who fought him twice

is that it.. is this your entire case in that Patterson fought Brian London the same Brian London who Muhammad Ali defended his world title against (undisputed).. i have several fights of Brian London including his fight with Johansson in Sweden where London was robbed by the referee as well as his fights with Folley, Quarry, Pastrano, Patterson & Cooper where London gave a very good account of himself... London was a far better fighter than Michael Grant, Botha, Butler, Fortune, Mavrovic or Jackson whom Lewis chose to fight otherwise he would not have received 2 shots at the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world... This thread is "Can Patterson be justified in being ranked ahead of Lewis"... only me has made my case and it is a legitimate case that YES it can be justifiable in ranking Floyd Patterson ahead of Lennox Lewis, i have provided facts and statistics to back up my case for Patterson and the Lewis nuthuggers have came out and their case is... "Patterson fought Brian London" ROFL
The bottom line is that Lewis does not have a case of being a Top 20 Heavyweight otherwise the nuthuggers would state their hero's case for all to see.

sonyboy accusing people of nuthugging

that's so ****in ironic

[The_Demon]

Ali was heavyweight champion of the world too. Did Lewis duck him as well? Actually, don't answer that.

Right, so you slate Lewis for facing an old Holyfield and Tyson yet he should have faced even older fighters like Foreman, Witherspoon, Holmes and Bonecrusher (!!). You slate Lewis for fighting mediocre opponents yet he should have faced Ruiz, Hide and Brewster. He can't win. As for Bowe and Moorer, you can't fight guys who avoid you.



Do you think it was a worthy title fight?



Yes you do. You make ludicrous attacks on some fighters and bizarre excuses for others. What would you say if Lewis fought someone whose pro record going into the fight was 0-0-0? I think I can guess. Bowe was stripped of his title for refusing to face his #1 contender Lewis and you have a ton of excuses for that. It's obvious you have a major dislike of Lewis for some reason. You have a ready-made excuse for every single fight of his and your list of fighters he supposedly ducked is laughable. By the way, you forgot Roy Jones. Bonecrusher? Witherspoon? Hide? Brewster? lol lol

Great post.sonnyboy has a deep hatred for lewis and im no sure why,he has been exposed as the narrow-minded hater that he is time and time again,not sure if it has something to do with the fact that bowe ducked lewis,it wouldnt make sense if it did but you never know with him

[katsidis]

Lewis by miles.