Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

[BattlingNelson]

Lewis avenged his losses, and I'm not sure we can call the guys who beat him journeyman. If Rahman was a journeyman what does that make Sanders, who he beat? McCall had been beating contenders for years but was just inconsistent. A journeyman, that to me would be Puritty. Wlad certainly turned it around after his losses and went on a tear to bring him amongst the top 10 or 12 best heavyweights ever. But those losses, at those times really hurt him and is the reason I can't put him near Holmes. Larry won 48 fights before losing, and he beat fighters in many cases more highly regarded than any of Wlads opponents. Wlad deserves credit for coming back.....just not that much credit.

You are talking 2 different things. The topic here is title reign. You are talking overall career. It's up to you how much weight you put into 'unavenged losses'. It seems like a lot. Do you also count that hard for unavenged losses sustained by other other fighters or is it just the klits?

[Dr. Z]

Brewster was suspended in America because of a detached retina.. Sanders himself wondered why Wlad never sought a rematch. Wlad went on a historical run only behind Louis and Holmes, but those losses hurt his standing because they were prime and either not avenged, or not avenged in a timely fashion against a man though couldn't see. That's not bias, those are facts my friend.

Sanders did not have time for the re-match. Brewster was badly beaten. Both guys were big punchers the type who can pull off upsets, and there is stuff on the web with the odds of the fight drastically changing and narrowing ( why? ) right before the fight with Wlad. At any rate the Brewster loss was avenged and he did not have a detached retina pst before before the fight took place. He would never pass the commission if he did.

If you fairly look at all of Wlad's title defense it is a deeper lot. Deeper than Holmes.

[Ivich]

Sanders did not have time for the re-match. Brewster was badly beaten. Both guys were big punchers the type who can pull off upsets, and there is stuff on the web with the odds of the fight drastically changing and narrowing ( why? ) right before the fight with Wlad. At any rate the Brewster loss was avenged and he did not have a detached retina pst before before the fight took place. He would never pass the commission if he did.

If you fairly look at all of Wlad's title defense it is a deeper lot. Deeper than Holmes.

BS!

• Brewster had not fought since losing the WBO heavyweight title to Siarhei Liakhovich fifteen months earlier. After the defeat, Brewster had surgery to repair a detached retina in his left eye. When he went to Germany for the Klitschko rematch, he was on medical suspension in the United States. [1]

[JAB5239]

You are talking 2 different things. The topic here is title reign. You are talking overall career. It's up to you how much weight you put into 'unavenged losses'. It seems like a lot. Do you also count that hard for unavenged losses sustained by other other fighters or is it just the klits?

It's the losses in his prime I put Wright in, not rematching just exacerbates it in my opinion. If he didn't have those losses I would certainly rate him higher.

[JAB5239]

Sanders did not have time for the re-match. Brewster was badly beaten. Both guys were big punchers the type who can pull off upsets, and there is stuff on the web with the odds of the fight drastically changing and narrowing ( why? ) right before the fight with Wlad. At any rate the Brewster loss was avenged and he did not have a detached retina pst before before the fight took place. He would never pass the commission if he did.

If you fairly look at all of Wlad's title defense it is a deeper lot. Deeper than Holmes.

It was almost a year before Vits and Sanders fought. I would say that is plenty of time. Also, Sanders fought on for several more years sporadically. If Wlad had sought a rematch, with the payday it would have offered do you really think Sanders would have declined?

[BattlingNelson]

It's the losses in his prime I put Wright in, not rematching just exacerbates it in my opinion. If he didn't have those losses I would certainly rate him higher.

What about the avenged part? I mean it’s fairly obvious that a rematch would with a high probability have a different outcome.

Going back through the years you can find tons of atg fighters having unavenged losses. I kinda suspect you’d rank such fighters quite low and at least outside the top 10 of their divisions since a fighter with the record of Wlad Klitschko can’t make the top 10.

[BattlingNelson]

It was almost a year before Vits and Sanders fought. I would say that is plenty of time. Also, Sanders fought on for several more years sporadically. If Wlad had sought a rematch, with the payday it would have offered do you really think Sanders would have declined?

Maybe not sanders, but the money wouldn’t be there as in the eyes of the German financiers, Sanders was defeated. It doesn’t matter which brother did it. It matters a lot to the boxingscene poster Jab though.

[Dr. Z]

It was almost a year before Vits and Sanders fought. I would say that is plenty of time. Also, Sanders fought on for several more years sporadically. If Wlad had sought a rematch, with the payday it would have offered do you really think Sanders would have declined?

No, I think too much time has passed and Sanders was old / incative to make the re-match relevant. After Vitali beat his Sanders next fight a nobody next than went in-active for 2 more years. He was 40 at that time and took hiatus from boxing.

[Dr. Z]

BS!

• Brewster had not fought since losing the WBO heavyweight title to Siarhei Liakhovich fifteen months earlier. After the defeat, Brewster had surgery to repair a detached retina in his left eye. When he went to Germany for the Klitschko rematch, he was on medical suspension in the United States. [1]

You did not list the date of his surgery and he had it before he meet Wlad. The link doesn't work by the way.

[QueensburyRules]

Sanders himself wondered why Wlad never sought a rematch.

- - Guess you was still in your Barney Big Boys then.

Sanders had a mandatory he didn't want to fight. He wanted Roy fresh off Ruiz and submitted a signed contract Roy sent him, but Roy moved back down to LH leaving Vitali as the only option, and the rest history that you struggle with.