Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

[QueensburyRules]

Face planted against Page. Issue settled, as it was for the whole line of Don King WBA pretenders. QueensburyRules is looking for people to mess with. That should be obvious. Only a handful of long reigning champions were as dominant as Larry Holmes. Even as an old man he was among the best of the next decade.

- - Face planted by Tyson.

0-6, 0 KO vs titlists having won their title in the ring against the champion.

Thanks for the sublime reminder. Might want to go back to Lar HOF induction speech to find out just how great he is...priceless it was...only in boxing, folks...

[BattlingNelson]

So you like Wlad's reign better?

Not at that point in 2010. Wlad did a lot of subsequent work that likely makes his reign better though. Povetkin, Haye, Pulev and more definitely improves his reign.

[Dr. Z]

Not at that point in 2010. Wlad did a lot of subsequent work that likely makes his reign better though. Povetkin, Haye, Pulev and more definitely improves his reign.

Yes it does as do Ibragimov, Byrd, Brewster and Peter. Wlad resume might even be deeper than Holmes!

[BattlingNelson]

Yes it does as do Ibragimov, Byrd, Brewster and Peter. Wlad resume might even be deeper than Holmes!

Those guys you mention was pre September 2010 so they was including in the op, but yes Wlad reign may be better than Holmes as I said.

[JAB5239]

Those guys you mention was pre September 2010 so they was including in the op, but yes Wlad reign may be better than Holmes as I said.

If Wlad didn't have the early loss to Puritty, and the losses to Sanders and Brewster in his prime he would no doubt rank higher. Because of those I just can't see him any higher than 10. Just my opinion of course.

[BattlingNelson]

If Wlad didn't have the early loss to Puritty, and the losses to Sanders and Brewster in his prime he would no doubt rank higher. Because of those I just can't see him any higher than 10. Just my opinion of course.

Yeah those losses ain’t pretty and they come with a price just as Lennox’s losses to club fighters are costly.

I reckon Wlad title reign should be ranked above or at least equal to Holmes though.

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah those losses ain’t pretty and they come with a price just as Lennox’s losses to club fighters are costly.

I reckon Wlad title reign should be ranked above or at least equal to Holmes though.

- - as I mentioned when rebooting this thread, that was a long time ago when they were more equal.

What Wlad accomplished afterward blows Lar boys out of the water.

A count of his title belts alone dwarfs Lar, and no, ain't gonna bother to count the obvious with Lar a single belt holder in a multibelt era he help to create.

[JAB5239]

Yeah those losses ain’t pretty and they come with a price just as Lennox’s losses to club fighters are costly.

I reckon Wlad title reign should be ranked above or at least equal to Holmes though.

Lewis avenged his losses, and I'm not sure we can call the guys who beat him journeyman. If Rahman was a journeyman what does that make Sanders, who he beat? McCall had been beating contenders for years but was just inconsistent. A journeyman, that to me would be Puritty. Wlad certainly turned it around after his losses and went on a tear to bring him amongst the top 10 or 12 best heavyweights ever. But those losses, at those times really hurt him and is the reason I can't put him near Holmes. Larry won 48 fights before losing, and he beat fighters in many cases more highly regarded than any of Wlads opponents. Wlad deserves credit for coming back.....just not that much credit.

[Dr. Z]

Lewis avenged his losses, and I'm not sure we can call the guys who beat him journeyman. If Rahman was a journeyman what does that make Sanders, who he beat? McCall had been beating contenders for years but was just inconsistent. A journeyman, that to me would be Puritty. Wlad certainly turned it around after his losses and went on a tear to bring him amongst the top 10 or 12 best heavyweights ever. But those losses, at those times really hurt him and is the reason I can't put him near Holmes. Larry won 48 fights before losing, and he beat fighters in many cases more highly regarded than any of Wlads opponents. Wlad deserves credit for coming back.....just not that much credit.

Lewis had a contractual edge and the same promoter for rematches. Otherwise where is he? Rated lower. Holmes got his re-matches, and won some close fights some of which can be viewed loses. I think he edged them. I'm am not saying that Holmes should not be ranked slightly higher than Wlad, but I am saying you don't apply the same standards to the the Klitschko's. Wlad re-matched Brewster an baldy beat him. He would have beaten Purity too.

[JAB5239]

Lewis had a contractual edge and the same promoter for rematches. Otherwise where is he? Rated lower. Holmes got his re-matches, and won some close fights some of which can be viewed loses. I think he edged them. I'm am not saying that Holmes should not be ranked slightly higher than Wlad, but I am saying you don't apply the same standards to the the Klitschko's. Wlad re-matched Brewster an baldy beat him. He would have beaten Purity too.

Brewster was suspended in America because of a detached retina.. Sanders himself wondered why Wlad never sought a rematch. Wlad went on a historical run only behind Louis and Holmes, but those losses hurt his standing because they were prime and either not avenged, or not avenged in a timely fashion against a man though couldn't see. That's not bias, those are facts my friend.