Wlad Klitschko Ranks As The 50th Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time

[JAB5239]

I have watched that fight many times and struggle with the notion that Vitalie was mounting an attack. It looked to me like Vitalie was done. And with that cut, a round of falling further behind, constituted being in harm's way, hence I think it was a good stoppage. When Fury got cut he started fighting extra hard and preventing any further attacks, as opposed to this fight, unless I am missing something?

Both were exhausted, but it was Lewis turning it up knowing he had Vits in danger of being stopped. Klitschko was in survival mode awards the end. You make a great comparison with Fury and the desire to continue when knowing he was in danger.

[billeau2]

Both were exhausted, but it was Lewis turning it up knowing he had Vits in danger of being stopped. Klitschko was in survival mode awards the end. You make a great comparison with Fury and the desire to continue when knowing he was in danger.

Thank you for responding because frankly I wondered if maybe I was deluded somehow about the perceived ebb and flow of the action. your confirmation is at least one other knowlegable poster that saw things similar. I just hear many guys saying "Lewis was going down, he was exhausted, Vitalie was coming on" and that is not what I saw. Now if Queenie disagrees? I know we are correct!

[QueensburyRules]

If you punch someone with the intentions of doing damage and cause a cut, it's not a fluke. Face the facts.

- - Lewie should've thanked his trainer that pulled the loose tape trick that started the cut. Then Lewie started rubbing his rasta links into the eye to further open it up...jus the facts, Jackie...

[JAB5239]

- - Lewie should've thanked his trainer that pulled the loose tape trick that started the cut. Then Lewie started rubbing his rasta links into the eye to further open it up...jus the facts, Jackie...

You use to be a decent troll. Subtle in your trolling and baiting. Now we're reduced to THIS!! The alcohol has really taken its toll on you.

[billeau2]

Both were exhausted, but it was Lewis turning it up knowing he had Vits in danger of being stopped. Klitschko was in survival mode awards the end. You make a great comparison with Fury and the desire to continue when knowing he was in danger.

Follow up: Indeed watched the fight again and it is just so obvious. That second to the round they stopped the fight, Lewis starts connecting. Vitalie is holding now and his punches are lacking steam. the next round Lewis is uppercutting and catching him hard with powershots. Vitalie is not responding... Even when he does the shots lack the power they initially had.

They had to stop this fight. Vitalie who is a smart man had to know he had to convince them not to stop the fight and I believe he simply could no longer stop Lewis. Lewis was mildly succesful with the overhand shots, but his uppercuts were brutal.

[billeau2]

- - Lewie should've thanked his trainer that pulled the loose tape trick that started the cut. Then Lewie started rubbing his rasta links into the eye to further open it up...jus the facts, Jackie...

Yup its all a conspiracy. No fighter that Queenie likes ever lost a fight, they were all conspired against... Lewis was in on a plot to use his rasta links which are actually made of blades, not hair. and that loose tape!!! Vitalie would have won for sure if there was no loose tape!!

Cooney would have driven Larry Holmes to the round, but for deciding not to fight Weaver yup... Holmes would not have beat Cooney!

And of course! The Klits were victims of many conspiracies! Inb truth? they actually never lost a fight!

Queenie facts! Worth? Not a nickel... Not a nickel...

[JAB5239]

Follow up: Indeed watched the fight again and it is just so obvious. That second to the round they stopped the fight, Lewis starts connecting. Vitalie is holding now and his punches are lacking steam. the next round Lewis is uppercutting and catching him hard with powershots. Vitalie is not responding... Even when he does the shots lack the power they initially had.

They had to stop this fight. Vitalie who is a smart man had to know he had to convince them not to stop the fight and I believe he simply could no longer stop Lewis. Lewis was mildly succesful with the overhand shots, but his uppercuts were brutal.

I'm not saying this as a dig a Klits fans, but I think Vits protests over the stoppage look very theatrical. The stoppage was most likely a relief to him but he knew he had to save face after the Byrd debacle

[billeau2]

I'm not saying this as a dig a Klits fans, but I think Vits protests over the stoppage look very theatrical. The stoppage was most likely a relief to him but he knew he had to save face after the Byrd debacle

Could very well be. Fighters can be proof that violence, conducted in a controlled fashion, with safety precautions in place, is so necessary because, the issues you describe, can literally make someone choose self harm over good sense.

I have an example I use for my class about this same sort of issue lol. You ask a guy, usually a guy with a family, and who looks like he takes care of himself, "your in a bar and you have a conflict. You can: win the fight but you will die, or, you can let someone degrade you, humiliate yourself, in order to lose the fight and be guaranteed safety, which would you choose?"

Well Jab... of course everyone STARTS saying the same thing. "Oh hey man words don't matter. Walk away! live to fight another day." Then you start describing in detail being humiliated in front of people who see you as strong and able... I don't really have to resort to even prison language before you can see people get uneasy. Now they are starting to think! "Hummm, Im sixty, do I really want my kin to see this? I mean gotta die someday right?" Pretty soon it is evident that the issue is not clear cut...

And then I wait for it: Like Ward waiting on Dawson to drop his guard a litttttttttttle bit down so he could catch him with the hook lol "But Sensei this is not realistic at all! If you win the fight the other guy dies right?" ..... Nope not always... During the war in South East Asia one of the old salts, military guys who taught self protection documented violence and described the following conflicts which were ubiquitous all over the villages in that area of Vietnam: Two guys get into a fight to save face, or over a girl... The narrator tells us... "these fights follow the same end, every guy watching will know what happens... The fight proceeds and eventually one guy gets on top of the other guy pounding him, he is the winner, the guy on the bottom, the loser, fishes out a pocket knife and proceeds to stab repeatedly into the kidneys of "the winner." The winner dies with honor in tact, the loser lives...

I shared that gem with you because it shows how dangerous boxing, or any social sanctioned form of violence can be, when anyone assumes a participant will use judgement regarding the harm versus benefit any decision will have on one's well being. If I took two of those Vietnamese villagers threw a knife out and told them to fight to the death... all things being equal? each guy would have a 50% chance, or, realistically, after an attack, the fight would stop. But... throw in a concept of shame? We know with considerably more certainty what will happen.

Vitalie had no judgement to be trusted regarding his continuence in that fight... He might have literally accepted death as a possibility if it meant a chance to beat Lewis. I don't know that... I do think he was hyped up enough (he hated Lewis) that he was not going to treat Lewis like Byrd lol.

Sorry for the protracted post... But these issues intrigue me and when I see a good example of something we are looking at, the teacher in me gets out of the cage.

[QueensburyRules]

Yup its all a conspiracy. No fighter that Queenie likes ever lost a fight, they were all conspired against... Lewis was in on a plot to use his rasta links which are actually made of blades, not hair. and that loose tape!!! Vitalie would have won for sure if there was no loose tape!!

Cooney would have driven Larry Holmes to the round, but for deciding not to fight Weaver yup... Holmes would not have beat Cooney!

And of course! The Klits were victims of many conspiracies! Inb truth? they actually never lost a fight!

Queenie facts! Worth? Not a nickel... Not a nickel...

- - 2 week notice for Vit in a championship fight orchestrated by Lewie who retired in our howls of cowardice after public ally agreeing to fight Vit…shameless like U…

[billeau2]

- - 2 week notice for Vit in a championship fight orchestrated by Lewie who retired in our howls of cowardice after public ally agreeing to fight Vit…shameless like U…

Yep that's why Lewis was in such good shape as part of that conspiracy. You don't think things through you don't even bother to do that much before you post this dribble.