where does the peak tyson fit in

[moondog0]

Ali would have had to put himself in harms way to knock out Tyson, he would have to take some chances if he wanted to deliver knock out blows, I think Ali would have played it cautious against a prime Tyson, Frazier hit Ali plenty of times in their fights and a young Tyson could be much more dangerous than Frazier. The body shots alone from a Young Tyson dropped a lot of decent fighters, plus he was hard to hit when he was starting out, not in the end of his career.

[butterfly1964]

Ali would have had to put himself in harms way to knock out Tyson, he would have to take some chances if he wanted to deliver knock out blows, I think Ali would have played it cautious against a prime Tyson, Frazier hit Ali plenty of times in their fights and a young Tyson could be much more dangerous than Frazier. The body shots alone from a Young Tyson dropped a lot of decent fighters, plus he was hard to hit when he was starting out, not in the end of his career.

not really. ali has a longer reach, so he would be able to stay away. also ali's jab would wear tyson down and make him weaker, so it would be easier for ali to knock him out.

[smasher]

The Ribalta fight is an interseting foot note in Tyson's career in that it was the only stoppage he ever had past the 7th round. Even when the fight was stopped, Ribalta (who was on his feet) was clear-eyed and upset that the fight was being stopped. This is evidence that Tyson neither carried his power late in a fight nor deployed the type of systematic body attack that would break down and wear an opponent out.

Tyson was not a concentrated body puncher. In fact for a heavyweight of his stature he wasn't much of a body puncher period. He was an over-anxious swarmer who seemed intent on trying to end fights as soon as possible. Ribalta, Douglas, Tucker, Ruddock, Tillis, Holyfield, all these fighters went late with Tyson because after the absent inside of 5 rounds KO, Tyson was reduced to a one punch at a time head-hunter content to clinch, hold and push on the inside.

With Tyson's short stature and reach combined with his two-handed punching power and hand speed he could have been an awesome in-fighter, a heavyweight Duran if he had ever been taught properly. Rooney and D'Amato get a lot of credit for developing Tyson but I believe he was sadly lacking in this department and his fights prove it. Tyson was programmed like a machine and was not adaptable against different styles. He attacked straight-on and almost never presented angles, or learned to effectively fight in the pocket. Evander Holyfield a fighter not known as an in-fighter won almost every round in-close against Tyson.

As for Tyson having a lot on his mind as an excuse against Douglas, remember that Buster's mother died the week of the fight and his father who trained him walked out on him. Strangely this didn't have the detrimental affect on Buster that Tyson's managerial and marital problems had on him.

[Stiv Rex]

i would love to see tyson-marciano/frazier/dempsey.

not one of those fights would go past about 8 rounds.
my picks would be marciano, frazier, tyson----but you know with these 4 guys it only takes one good one, they would all be dynamite fights.
gotta wait for heaven to see em though, but im sure they will let mike come up from hell on parole, ha.

[Verstyle]

not really. ali has a longer reach, so he would be able to stay away. also ali's jab would wear tyson down and make him weaker, so it would be easier for ali to knock him out.

he might have had a longer reach but tyson was known to get in really good and quick with his foot speed and his superb defense

[Verstyle]

The Ribalta fight is an interseting foot note in Tyson's career in that it was the only stoppage he ever had past the 7th round. Even when the fight was stopped, Ribalta (who was on his feet) was clear-eyed and upset that the fight was being stopped. This is evidence that Tyson neither carried his power late in a fight nor deployed the type of systematic body attack that would break down and wear an opponent out.

Tyson was not a concentrated body puncher. In fact for a heavyweight of his stature he wasn't much of a body puncher period. He was an over-anxious swarmer who seemed intent on trying to end fights as soon as possible. Ribalta, Douglas, Tucker, Ruddock, Tillis, Holyfield, all these fighters went late with Tyson because after the absent inside of 5 rounds KO, Tyson was reduced to a one punch at a time head-hunter content to clinch, hold and push on the inside.

With Tyson's short stature and reach combined with his two-handed punching power and hand speed he could have been an awesome in-fighter, a heavyweight Duran if he had ever been taught properly. Rooney and D'Amato get a lot of credit for developing Tyson but I believe he was sadly lacking in this department and his fights prove it. Tyson was programmed like a machine and was not adaptable against different styles. He attacked straight-on and almost never presented angles, or learned to effectively fight in the pocket. Evander Holyfield a fighter not known as an in-fighter won almost every round in-close against Tyson.

As for Tyson having a lot on his mind as an excuse against Douglas, remember that Buster's mother died the week of the fight and his father who trained him walked out on him. Strangely this didn't have the detrimental affect on Buster that Tyson's managerial and marital problems had on him.

your first paragraph is sorta funny cause i think tyson knocked down ribalta in the 8TH ROUND hhhmmmmmmmmm thats funny since u said he doesnt carry his power in the later rounds. and for body attack i guess u didnt see in the ribalta fight on how close ribalta was holding his elbos inside and how he would try to throw quick punches and try to cover up. hhhhmmmmmm thats weird huh. sorry i had to break this part of your statement down but i watch the ribalta fight everyday. i have the whole thing on my cell phone. hell i was even watching it at work today CORRECTION ON MY PART I FORGOT HE ALSO KNOCKED HIM DOWN IN THE 10TH ROUND ALSO SOOOOOOO IN TOTLA HE KNOCKED HIM DOWN THREE TIMES IN THE FIGHT AND TWO OF THOSE WERE AFTER THE 8TH.

on the second paragraph what the hell were u smoking aahahahaha. prime tyson wasnt a concentrated body puncher???? how many fights have u actually seen on tyson and anaylze. he was known for his body punches when he was coming up thats another thiing that put him apart from the rest of the hw field. hell even the commentators would even comment on how tyson attacked the body. u need to talk to DRZ and download some old tyson fights cause your pretty clueless on whaht u said about the body. the swarming and tryin to end it quick is correct although he didnt do it in all of his fights in the 80s but he still did it.

[smasher]

tyson was known to get in really good and quick with his foot speed and his superb defense

Tyson is credited with a superb defense but his offense was his best defence. Most of Tyson's opponents pre-Douglas fought scared and were more intent on survival. Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker for example were guys who survived but they didn't let their hands go. Tyson had good head movement early in fights but was a straight up plodder after 5-7 rounds. I would say his defense was pretty good but I would have liked to see him against a quality heavyweight who was willing to let his hands go before I would classify his defence as superb.

[Verstyle]

Tyson is credited with a superb defense but his offense was his best defence. Most of Tyson's opponents pre-Douglas fought scared and were more intent on survival. Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker for example were guys who survived but they didn't let their hands go. Tyson had good head movement early in fights but was a straight up plodder after 5-7 rounds. I would say his defense was pretty good but I would have liked to see him against a quality heavyweight who was willing to let his hands go before I would classify his defence as superb.

how many times have u seen the tyson cs tucker fight. i see it at least 15 to 20 times a month easily and tucker was throwing his hadns. but ironically to what your saying tyson would come in quick with speed and defense combined and smother his punches since hes a lanky armed fighter

[smasher]

how many times have u seen the tyson cs tucker fight. i see it at least 15 to 20 times a month easily and tucker was throwing his hadns. but ironically to what your saying tyson would come in quick with speed and defense combined and smother his punches since hes a lanky armed fighter

I taped it the night they fought. I've kept the tape and watched it many times in over 18 years. You watch it 15-20 times a month? Why? It's not even a good fight. In any event I'm not saying Tucker didn't throw ANY punches. The term 'didn't let his hands go' means he didn't throw enough punches to outpoint or hurt Tyson. Tucker was far too conservative in his approach to have a chance at victory. This cautious approach combined and interspersed with useless mugging and showboating is what I implied as 'didn't let his hands go'.

The end result was Tucker did enough to be somewhat competitive but nowhere near enough to seriously challenge for the win.

[smasher]

your first paragraph is sorta funny cause i think tyson knocked down ribalta in the 8TH ROUND hhhmmmmmmmmm thats funny since u said he doesnt carry his power in the later rounds. and for body attack i guess u didnt see in the ribalta fight on how close ribalta was holding his elbos inside and how he would try to throw quick punches and try to cover up. hhhhmmmmmm thats weird huh. sorry i had to break this part of your statement down but i watch the ribalta fight everyday. i have the whole thing on my cell phone. hell i was even watching it at work today CORRECTION ON MY PART I FORGOT HE ALSO KNOCKED HIM DOWN IN THE 10TH ROUND ALSO SOOOOOOO IN TOTLA HE KNOCKED HIM DOWN THREE TIMES IN THE FIGHT AND TWO OF THOSE WERE AFTER THE 8TH.

on the second paragraph what the hell were u smoking aahahahaha. prime tyson wasnt a concentrated body puncher???? how many fights have u actually seen on tyson and anaylze. he was known for his body punches when he was coming up thats another thiing that put him apart from the rest of the hw field. hell even the commentators would even comment on how tyson attacked the body. u need to talk to DRZ and download some old tyson fights cause your pretty clueless on whaht u said about the body. the swarming and tryin to end it quick is correct although he didnt do it in all of his fights in the 80s but he still did it.

First of all READ MY POST. I said The Ribalta fight was Tyson's ONLY STOPPAGE WIN PAST THE 7TH ROUND. Not too ****ing impressive when it was the only one in a career spanning the better part of 21 years. I also said he was not a CONCENTRATED BODY PUNCHER. Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, Roberto Duran, Alexis Arguello, Eusebio Pedroza, Julio Ceasar Chavez etc... were fighters who wore opponents down by focusing on a body attack. MIKE TYSON DID NOT FOCUS HIS ATTACK ON THE BODY. He was a headhunter. I never said he didn't punch to the body, just that he wasn't much of a body puncher meaning he didn't wear opponents down by going to the body.

As for not seeing enough Tyson fights you are dead wrong. I am the same age as Tyson and followed his entire career as well as taped ALL HIS FIGHTS. Over the last 21 years I have seen more than my share of Mike Tyson. The difference between us watching the fights is I know what I am watching and you apparently do not.