Vitali Klitschko vs Primo Carnera......... Who Wins?

[Zizou2]

Vitali Klitschko:

Height: 6′ 7½″
Weight: 245 Pounds
Record: Won 40 (KO 38) Lost 2 (KO 2)

Notes:

• ATG Heavyweight
• Iron Jaw
• Iron Fist Right Hand
• Only losses were to ATG Lennox Lewis (a fight Vitali was winning) and Chris Byrd due to Shoulder injury (a fight Vitali was winning)
• One of the Highest KO% in boxing history

Primo Carnera:

Height: 6′ 5½″
Weight: 265 pounds
Record: Won 88 (KO 72) Lost 14 (KO 5)

Notes:

• Glass Jaw
• Similar style to Vitali, but much slower, less power, less durable and china chin
• Product of the Italian Government and many bouts were fixed (considered a circus freak in his time)
• Dropped 11 times by Max Baer in a brutal 1 sided beatdown

Who wins this fantasy match and why?

My prediction: Vitali drops Carnera multiple times to a 7th round TKO

[TheGreatA]

That's a rather biased account of the two fighters.

It took Joe Louis and Max Baer, two of the hardest hitters ever in the heavyweight division to dispose of a prime Carnera, who was still standing on his two feet at the time the fights were stopped.

Carnera is not necessarily slower than Vitali. Vitali did have better "reflexes", which are in part a result of his long kickboxing and amateur boxing background, while Primo only took up boxing at around 20 years of age. Carnera may have had the faster jab actually, but Vitali would land first with his other punches. As for footwork, Carnera was arguably more agile.

The fight against Baer, where Carnera broke his ankle in the very first round, was quite close in rounds going into the 11th, despite all the knockdowns, which were mostly a result of Carnera's lack of balance. Primo outworked Max in many of the rounds.

I'd take Vitali to win though, as he's far more at "home" in the ring than Carnera.

[sonnyboyx2]

Vitali Klitschko:

Height: 6′ 7½″
Weight: 245 Pounds
Record: Won 40 (KO 38) Lost 2 (KO 2)

Notes:

• ATG Heavyweight
• Iron Jaw
• Iron Fist Right Hand
• Only losses were to ATG Lennox Lewis (a fight Vitali was winning) and Chris Byrd due to Shoulder injury (a fight Vitali was winning)
• One of the Highest KO% in boxing history

Primo Carnera:

Height: 6′ 5½″
Weight: 265 pounds
Record: Won 88 (KO 72) Lost 14 (KO 5)

Notes:

• Glass Jaw
• Similar style to Vitali, but much slower, less power, less durable and china chin
• Product of the Italian Government and many bouts were fixed (considered a circus freak in his time)
• Dropped 11 times by Max Baer in a brutal 1 sided beatdown

Who wins this fantasy match and why?

My prediction: Vitali drops Carnera multiple times to a 7th round TKO

biased, so its rather pointless debating with you.

[Zizou2]

biased, so its rather pointless debating with you.

If it comes off a little bias, it's because that is my opinion and I am entitled to it.


I respect The GreatA's opinion because he supported his point of view with facts.

You, however, are a troll as is evident by my sig.


Don't troll my thread please.

[Zizou2]

That's a rather biased account of the two fighters.

That's just a brief analysis. I can make several points on both fighters, positive and negative. It's all factual.

It took Joe Louis and Max Baer, two of the hardest hitters ever in the heavyweight division to dispose of a prime Carnera, who was still standing on his two feet at the time the fights were stopped.

Vitali is a harder puncher than Baer and is arguably a bigger puncher than Louis, although many may have Joe as the bigger puncher.

Who's to say Vitali won't demolish Carnera as Baer and louis did???

Carnera is not necessarily slower than Vitali. Vitali did have better "reflexes", which are in part a result of his long kickboxing and amateur boxing background, while Primo only took up boxing at around 20 years of age. Carnera may have had the faster jab actually, but Vitali would land first with his other punches. As for footwork, Carnera was arguably more agile.

From tapes I've seen. Carnera was definitely slower and moved with less dexterity than Vitali.

Vitali has a greater skillset- that is not an opinion.

The fight against Baer, where Carnera broke his ankle in the very first round, was quite close in rounds going into the 11th, despite all the knockdowns, which were mostly a result of Carnera's lack of balance. Primo outworked Max in many of the rounds.

Carnera's lack of balance was due to Baer knocking him senseless. That's a poor excuse to make for his fragile chin. He was knocked into ***** street and stayed that way throughout the fight. Carnera may have won a few rounds but lost the majority along with being dropped several times.

I'd take Vitali to win though, as he's far more at "home" in the ring than Carnera.

Agreed.

[sonnyboyx2]

Vitali Klitschko:

Height: 6′ 7½″
Weight: 245 Pounds
Record: Won 40 (KO 38) Lost 2 (KO 2)

Notes:

• ATG Heavyweight
• Iron Jaw
• Iron Fist Right Hand
• Only losses were to ATG Lennox Lewis (a fight Vitali was winning) and Chris Byrd due to Shoulder injury (a fight Vitali was winning)
• One of the Highest KO% in boxing history

Primo Carnera:

Height: 6′ 5½″
Weight: 265 pounds
Record: Won 88 (KO 72) Lost 14 (KO 5)

Notes:

• Glass Jaw
• Similar style to Vitali, but much slower, less power, less durable and china chin
• Product of the Italian Government and many bouts were fixed (considered a circus freak in his time)
• Dropped 11 times by Max Baer in a brutal 1 sided beatdown

Who wins this fantasy match and why?

My prediction: Vitali drops Carnera multiple times to a 7th round TKO

Lets start off with your sig which has a quote i made saying "Hopkins, Lennox & Chavez was never p4p No1 rated in the P4P ratings"..... 100% correct yet you seem to have some kind of problem with that.

Vitali Klitschko IMO would be knocked out by Primo Carnera who has more KO victories than any heavyweight champion in history, Carnera has faced and beaten far better opposition than Vitali with Vitali only having beaten mediocre Class C journeymen, also Carnera is not a "quitter"like Vitali is who quit against Chris Byrd.. Carnera is huge compaired to Vitali which would be the first time Vitali had faced a fighter bigger & far stronger than himself, i see Carnera knocking Vitali from pillar to post and Koing him in 8rds

[Zizou2]

Lets start off with your sig which has a quote i made saying "Hopkins, Lennox & Chavez was never p4p No1 rated in the P4P ratings"..... 100% correct yet you seem to have some kind of problem with that.

What is 100% correct is your idiocy. Both Chavez and Hopkins were ranked p4p 1.

Vitali Klitschko IMO would be knocked out by Primo Carnera who has more KO victories than any heavyweight champion in history, Carnera has faced and beaten far better opposition than Vitali with Vitali only having beaten mediocre Class C journeymen, also Carnera is not a "quitter"like Vitali is who quit against Chris Byrd.. Carnera is huge compaired to Vitali which would be the first time Vitali had faced a fighter bigger & far stronger than himself, i see Carnera knocking Vitali from pillar to post and Koing him in 8rds

Vitali was forced to retire against Byrd due to a shoulder injury.

Unlike Carnera, Vitali has never been dropped 11 times in 1 fight. A sign of a mediocre chin.

Carnera lost to 200 pound Jack Sharkey.

Note: Carnera beat Sharkey for the Heavyweight Title in a rematch and many claim that fight was fixed.




^^^^^^ Hmmmm. Looks highly suspect and I won't argue with people who claim that uppercut didn't land at all.

Carnera may have knocked out more people than Vitali, because he fought more bums than possibly any heavyweight in history.

One of the most notable names on Carnera's resume is blown up LHW Tommy Loughran. What a joke.


If Vitali fought Jean Pascal I'm sure many people would cry "cherry picker."




Now troll somewhere else Sonnyboy. You are a fool who thinks Wepner is the same height as Vitali and that Hopkins and Chavez were never P4P No.1.

[TheGreatA]

That's just a brief analysis. I can make several points on both fighters, positive and negative. It's all factual.

Saying that Vitali showed no heart in quitting like a coward against Byrd and that he never beat a top level opponent is also "factual" but biased.

Vitali is a harder puncher than Baer and is arguably a bigger puncher than Louis, although many may have Joe as the bigger puncher.

He did not hit harder with one punch than Baer or Louis.

Did Vitali ever show this kind of one punch power?




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Who's to say Vitali won't demolish Carnera as Baer and louis did???

I'm not saying he couldn't. But he is not the puncher that Baer or Louis were despite his greater size and impressive knockout record. Anyone who views his fights knows that he is an accumulation puncher, who wears down his opposition.

From tapes I've seen. Carnera was definitely slower and moved with less dexterity than Vitali.

Vitali is hardly the fastest being on two feet himself. Whoever was more agile than the other, it was certainly not by much.

Carnera's lack of balance was due to Baer knocking him senseless. That's a poor excuse to make for his fragile chin. He was knocked into ***** street and stayed that way throughout the fight. Carnera may have won a few rounds but lost the majority along with being dropped several times.

Just like Vitali's injured shoulder or horribly cut eye is a poor excuse for his losses against Lewis and Byrd right? Carnera broke his ankle in the very first round and carried on for 10 more rounds. That's heart.

[Zizou2]

Saying that Vitali showed no heart in quitting like a coward against Byrd and that he never beat a top level opponent is also "factual" but biased.

No it's not fact. Vitali has defeated many "top-level-opponents".

He did not hit harder with one punch than Baer or Louis.

Did Vitali ever show this kind of one punch power?




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If Vitali fought fighters who weighted between 185-200 pounds regularly he would crush them with 1 punch aswell.

I'm not saying he couldn't. But he is not the puncher that Baer or Louis were despite his greater size and impressive knockout record. Anyone who views his fights knows that he is an accumulation puncher, who wears down his opposition.

He is an accumulation puncher vs opponents who weigh more than 220 pounds unlike the majority of the names on Baer and Louis' resume who weighed between 185-200 pounds.

Vitali being an accumulation puncher still doesn't negate the notion that Vitali might drop Carnera multiple (11) times to a TKO W.

Vitali is hardly the fastest being on two feet himself. Whoever was more agile than the other, it was certainly not by much.

Vitali has greater movement. Anyone who's seen Carnera and Vitali fight will know this.

Just like Vitali's injured shoulder or horribly cut eye is a poor excuse for his losses against Lewis and Byrd right? Carnera broke his ankle in the very first round and carried on for 10 more rounds. That's heart.

No. They are reasons. Not excuses-as your previous post was-Carnera had piss-poor balance because he was knocked into ***** street by Baer.

Vitali was indeed injured vs Byrd. - valid REASON.
Vitali suffered one of the most ghastly cuts in ring history and continued to fight on = pure heart.


Carnera had ties with the mob and many believe some of his bouts were rigged.

[TheGreatA]

No it's not fact. Vitali has defeated many "top-level-opponents".

Any on the level of a Lennox Lewis or even Chris Byrd? I believe he holds win over only 5 or less top 10 ranked contenders and only one legitimate top ranked contender, Corrie Sanders.

If Vitali fought fighters who weighted between 185-200 pounds regularly he would crush them with 1 punch aswell.

Baer and Louis also crushed men over 6'5, 250+ lbs. Vitali couldn't quite get the job done against former super middleweight and amateur light welterweight Chris Byrd. 5'11, 210 lb Vaughn Bean lasted until the 11th round.

He is an accumulation puncher vs opponents who weigh more than 220 pounds unlike the majority of the names on Baer and Louis' resume who weighed between 185-200 pounds.

He is an accumulation puncher against opponents who weigh less than 220 pounds as well.

Vitali being an accumulation puncher still doesn't negate the notion that Vitali might drop Carnera multiple (11) times to a TKO W.

He might. Considering Vitali's history though, it seems unlikely that he would drop Carnera more than maybe once or twice.

Vitali has greater movement. Anyone who's seen Carnera and Vitali fight will know this.

Yes, he has incredible footwork:

No. They are reasons. Not excuses-as your previous post was-Carnera had piss-poor balance because he was knocked into ***** street by Baer.

Carnera broke his ankle. You don't think that affects balance? That is absolutely ridiculous hypocrisy on your part to make excuses (or "reasons" as you call it) for Vitali but not accepting any for Carnera. You can't have one but not the other in a logical debate.

Carnera had ties with the mob and many believe some of his bouts were rigged.

No more rigged than this:



The thing about Carnera is that he was one of the first boxers to have promoters build him up for a title shot, as 90% of fighters are today. In his time, most fighters fought the best consistently and rarely took easy fights. Carnera did, his promoters picked the right fights for him and built his record until they felt he was ready to take another step. Some of his opponents may have given less than their best, given that many of them were outmatched tomato cans, but none of his filmed fights show any sign of being fixed. The Carnera-Sharkey KO has been filmed from another angle and clearly shows Sharkey getting hit with a terrific uppercut from a 260 pound man.