Shavers, Foreman, Louis, Tyson - who was the hardest puncher

[Die Antwoord]

Joe louis hit hardest.

ever hit an anvil and try to hammer through it? the vibrations go through your arm.

now hit the anvil so you tense up for only the moment before you hit. no vibrations in your hand, and all the kenetic energy goes into the anvil.

same thing hitting rocks with a metal bat.

tyson, foreman tried to hammer through the anvil.

louis and some times shavers knew how to tense up just at the right time.

probly why fitz was such a great puncher as he was a black smith and knew all about this.

Come on, you dont actually believe Joe Louis hit harder than Tyson do you? Again just look at Grant vs. Adamek, you can see what weight can do. Adamek never rocked like that from one punch in the cruisers. Math even would tell you that its easier to move the smaller object. If he was hitting like Tyson he would have had tons of first round KO's against the cruisers and light heavies he was fighting.

Oh and just because now it is a fact, it is a fact, stone cold fact, if a boxer who fought two different guys comments, everything they say on the two boxers is a fact, have fun with this quote.

“Wladimir Klitschko had more power, most definitely. In both hands. You could feel it. Put it this way – if it would have been Wladimir in there when his brother fought Lennox Lewis, he would have dropped Lennox Lewis. ”- Phil Jackson. That is a fact. He was in the ring with Lewis and Wlad, he knows. So lets never debate again who was better Wlad or Lewis, because Phil Jackson has the facts.

[Spartacus Sully]

Come on, you dont actually believe Joe Louis hit harder than Tyson do you? Again just look at Grant vs. Adamek, you can see what weight can do. Adamek never rocked like that from one punch in the cruisers. Math even would tell you that its easier to move the smaller object. If he was hitting like Tyson he would have had tons of first round KO's against the cruisers and light heavies he was fighting.

Oh and just because now it is a fact, it is a fact, stone cold fact, if a boxer who fought two different guys comments, everything they say on the two boxers is a fact, have fun with this quote.

“Wladimir Klitschko had more power, most definitely. In both hands. You could feel it. Put it this way – if it would have been Wladimir in there when his brother fought Lennox Lewis, he would have dropped Lennox Lewis. ”- Phil Jackson. That is a fact. He was in the ring with Lewis and Wlad, he knows. So lets never debate again who was better Wlad or Lewis, because Phil Jackson has the facts.

louis had more actual 1st round ko's then tyson. louis with 10 and tyson with 7 and kos including tkos louis at 13 to 21 for tyson, id still say louis hit harder tyson just had more agressive ring tactics.

[Die Antwoord]

louis had more actual 1st round ko's then tyson. louis with 10 and tyson with 7 and kos including tkos louis at 13 to 21 for tyson, id still say louis hit harder tyson just had more agressive ring tactics.

Wait you arent counting TKO's as KO's? Is this a joke? Tyson also only fought, lets say 56, times the two no contests would have been knockouts but i just wont count them. Louis fought 70 times. Also Tyson missed a large part of his near-prime years in prison.

Not counting TKO's as KO's......so when Tyson knocks Savarese down with one shot and then 20 seconds into the round is calling the fight...that means Tyson doesnt hit harder than Louis. 40% of Tysons fights ended in a first round knockout. Only 18% for Louis.

[Spartacus Sully]

Wait you arent counting TKO's as KO's? Is this a joke? Tyson also only fought, lets say 56, times the two no contests would have been knockouts but i just wont count them. Louis fought 70 times. Also Tyson missed a large part of his near-prime years in prison.

Not counting TKO's as KO's......so when Tyson knocks Savarese down with one shot and then 20 seconds into the round is calling the fight...that means Tyson doesnt hit harder than Louis. 40% of Tysons fights ended in a first round knockout. Only 18% for Louis.

louis was in the army for how many years?

and its 68 plus 96 exhibition matches in the army.

and i have no clue what happened in the savarese fight other then no one was k.o.ed and if that is your only example of a tko thats supposed to show tysons ko power its a bad one.

[Die Antwoord]

louis was in the army for how many years?

and its 68 plus 96 exhibition matches in the army.

and i have no clue what happened in the savarese fight other then no one was k.o.ed and if that is your only example of a tko thats supposed to show tysons ko power its a bad one.

What? Tyson was about to kill the guy, no one could stop him. Dude, Tyson knocked HOlmes out unconcious, he needed help getting to his feet. It was ruled a TKO. No one every considers ko's differently from TKO's. Who the heck does that? So if a ref stops a fight when the guys on the ground and cant get up, but doesnt even want him to try...thats less than if a guy just misses the 10 count.

Do people actually buy this stuff? And now youre counting exhibitions and amateurs? Wow.

[StarshipTrooper]

Lol what's your problem ?, we try to debate and because we don't agree with your opinion you go in a ***** fit and try to offend people, and then you call other people internet warriors, funny stuff.

That's OK.....the moronic little dink didn't even bother to read the source he TRIED to cite :rofl9:

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Catch me in a mistake because you cannot debate against facts.

Except you haven't offered any "facts" only your worthless opinions :hahahaha9: You've made claims that are at odds the views of the majority of boxing experts. The burden of proof is on YOU.....YOU are the one who needs to provide the facts not us; and you have yet to do so.

Poet

[r.burgundy]

So all the quotes, the 9 quotes I cited were all out of context. How is it out of context to say, "Joe Louis could not take the punches todays fighters throw?" What context could make that have any different meaning? Unless he said, "im about to lie...Joe Loui could not take the punches todays fighters throw. etc..."

OH and saying Holmes got screwed because his arm got caught...Holmes went down 3 times in the 4th. It wasnt like one hit sent him down. Tyson knocked him out cold, had to get ring doctors in to check on him and help him up. Tyson had lost a round, the third, just barely but I score it for Holmes, and he was mad and came out and he killed Holmes. Thats like, not debatable. I didnt know there were people who think Holmes stood a chance against that version of Mike Tyson. I figured that debate ended in 1988.


In fact most of the "academic" world, which I looked up seems to think Tyson did punch harder than Shavers. In fact many of the "experts" dont rank Shavers in the top 5. Now you will say they suck, and that the guys who do are the true experts etc...but you wont cite them because chances are theyve also said something like, "Floyd Mayweather is the GOAT" and then your argument, like the Holmes argument is out the window. But I guess you could be like this guy im quoting who says "Every Larry Holmes quote but the one I like, is out of context."

I see how this board works now though, after reading through a few of the other posts. Theres like a clear majority of jackasses, who like to team up on anyone with an opinion other than their own. "You think Tyson punches harder than Shavers...listen little boy, this is an adult discussion for people who know what theyre talking about."

Im going to the main board, have fun coming up with new topics and discussions when you run off everyone who has a different opinion and condesend people who actually box and write about boxing. Questions comparing fighters from different era's or fighters in their prime or who hit harder, are all opinions. You could have a tug of war to see whose right, but you guys cant handle differing opinions. You cant prove who would win, its debate, but condesension and personal attacks...after my first post...thats just trash.

thats what they do around these parts.anybody who has an unpopular opinion is a troll

[TheGreatA]

thats what they do around these parts.anybody who has an unpopular opinion is a troll

Die Antwoord/Wlad Klitschko/TheMagicMan is a troll though in all fairness. The man started out his (alt) posting career by claiming that Joe Calzaghe would have KO'd Muhammad Ali. It all went downhill from there, as was to be expected.

[sleazyfellow]

But Ali felt both of their punches, and said Frazier's were harder.

Well Frazier hit Ali alot more and over the course of 3 fights, and besides that his punches are faster than Shavers, just having brute strengh doesnt make a KO.

Of course no one would ever quote Holmes since he also said he was in his prime at 240 lbs and in his 40s and he was KO'd once in his career and it was by Tyson...never KO'ed even in the 14 years after Tyson he continued his career...but yep, I have no right to my opinion because Holmes said so. I'll remember that if you ever try to argue someone who retired before 1990 was better than Tyson or Holyfield or any of those guys.

You are an idiot.