Shavers, Foreman, Louis, Tyson - who was the hardest puncher

[NChristo]

Tyson fought bigger guys and had the same KO%. Tyson fought much better competition in total and floored more legitimate fighters. Also, I can watch the tape and see how hard Tyson punched. Unless you have some scientific method for figuring it out, I will let you have your opinion. The fact remains that the average weight of Shavers's opponents was 23 lbs less than Tyson's. While I do not feel that weight is everything, there is a reason we have a cruiserweight division. We can see how Grant can almost buckle Adamek who never seemed to hurt that much from a single shot by any of the far superior cruisers/LHW's he fought before. So yes, I think Tyson punched much harder than Shavers and was a far superior fighter. And yes if some pathetic internet troll called me little boy for having an opinion, id knock him flat.

Tyson fought better competition then Foreman ?, from looking at video it's clear that Shavers has better 1 punch KO power then Tyson, he was just a piss poor finisher.

Tyson swarmed his opponents and was clearly a much better finisher, he put together great combo's with speed and decent accuracy which Shavers was unable to do, power isn't everything when it comes to KOing someone.

[Die Antwoord]

Tyson fought better competition then Foreman ?, from looking at video it's clear that Shavers has better 1 punch KO power then Tyson, he was just a piss poor finisher.

Tyson swarmed his opponents and was clearly a much better finisher, he put together great combo's with speed and decent accuracy which Shavers was unable to do, power isn't everything when it comes to KOing someone.

Where did I say he fought better competition than Foreman. If you are going to quote, use it right. I said he fought better competition than Shavers, which he did. That is not debatable. Holmes had more in the tank when Tyson fought him than Ali or Norton did when Shavers fought them.

Also, what guys was Shavers knocking out with one punch? Looking at the tape its clear Tyson had devastating 1 punch KO power, and every punch he threw was hard. Shavers on the other hand, much like guys like Corrie Sanders just sat and looked for one big shot. Hell Corrie Sanders had devastating one punch power, even in fights he lost, knocked Rahman nearly out of the ring, rocked Vitali more than anyone else, only one of 3 guys to TKO Wlad. And he did it all with single short left shots. Now that is power.

I mean, who did Shavers KO who had never been KO'ed before? Norton? A prime Norton was brutally KO'ed by Foreman. So what unfloorable guy did Shavers floor. I am not going to argue that Shavers fought a lot of small club fighters. Its true that he did. Im just not impressed by video of him KO'ing Phil Clinard, a guy who finished his career with a 0-5 record (3 losses by KO).

[NChristo]

But back on topic, what makes you think that Tyson punched harder then Foreman or Shavers ?.

Tyson fought bigger guys and had the same KO%. Tyson fought much better competition in total and floored more legitimate fighters

Where did I say he fought better competition than Foreman. If you are going to quote, use it right. I said he fought better competition than Shavers, which he did. That is not debatable. Holmes had more in the tank when Tyson fought him than Ali or Norton did when Shavers fought them.

Did quote correctly, maybe you should try wording you posts better if it's not what you meant.

[NChristo]

Holmes had more in the tank when Tyson fought him than Ali or Norton did when Shavers fought them.

What ?, Holmes was clearly in much better shape against Norton and Shavers fought him. Also he was also just coming of off two straight losses to Spinks and 2 years of inactivity when he fought Mike.

Also, what guys was Shavers knocking out with one punch? Looking at the tape its clear Tyson had devastating 1 punch KO power, and every punch he threw was hard. Shavers on the other hand, much like guys like Corrie Sanders just sat and looked for one big shot. Hell Corrie Sanders had devastating one punch power, even in fights he lost, knocked Rahman nearly out of the ring, rocked Vitali more than anyone else, only one of 3 guys to TKO Wlad. And he did it all with single short left shots. Now that is power.

So you are saying that Shavers was like Sanders and then go on to compliment on Sanders "devastating power", don't see what you're trying to prove with this. I've already said that there is more to KO'ing a person then just power and Shavers wasn't that good of a finisher where as Mike knew how to end the fight once he had his man hurt.

[Die Antwoord]

Did quote correctly, maybe you should try wording you posts better if it's not what you meant.

Or maybe if you didn't take the quotes out of context...Did you really get confused when the rest of the 2/3rds of the post are about Shavers and his opponents. Did that confuse you mightily? Learn to read better please. The entire post was clearly about Shavers, you cite the 2 lines with pronouns. But I guess you most likely had to spend a few hours to get through those two lines, so I wont fault you too much. Its just great that you are trying.

And if you are going to say watch the tape...then there is no doubt...I mean no doubt Tyson hit harder than Foreman. Foreman's an arm puncher. Saying Tyson swarmed...ok...

[NChristo]

Or maybe if you didn't take the quotes out of context...Did you really get confused when the rest of the 2/3rds of the post are about Shavers and his opponents. Did that confuse you mightily? Learn to read better please. The entire post was clearly about Shavers, you cite the 2 lines with pronouns. But I guess you most likely had to spend a few hours to get through those two lines, so I wont fault you too much. Its just great that you are trying.

And if you are going to say watch the tape...then there is no doubt...I mean no doubt Tyson hit harder than Foreman. Foreman's an arm puncher. Saying Tyson swarmed...ok...

Lol what's your problem ?, we try to debate and because we don't agree with your opinion you go in a ***** fit and try to offend people, and then you call other people internet warriors, funny stuff.

[Die Antwoord]

What ?, Holmes was clearly in much better shape against Norton and Shavers fought him. Also he was also just coming of off two straight losses to Spinks when he fought Mike.


So you are saying that Shavers was like Sanders and then go on to compliment on Sanders "devastating power", don't see what you're trying to prove with this. I've already said that there is more to KO'ing a person then just power and Shavers wasn't that good of a finisher where as Mike knew how to end the fight once he had his man hurt.

God, I am sorry, your reading comprehension is just pitiful.

The post wasnt comparing Holmes when he fought Tyson vs. Holmes when he fought Shavers or Norton. The post is comparing Shavers' knockout. Holmes was closer to prime when he fought Tyson than Norton was when he fought Shavers. This is key, because Norton is the one HOF that Shavers KO'ed. (If anyone says Ellis or Young are HOFers then apparently your HOF also will include the likes of David Tua, Sultan Imbragimov, Juan Diaz, and Manfredo). So saying Tyson KO'ed a Holmes who was far less shot than the Norton that Shavers KO'ed was relevant.

My point with Sanders was to show that I dont think Sanders was that great, but an argument could be made that he too was the hardest puncher if you are going for one shot. A lot of guys you consider "swarmers" didnt sell out on one punch. Rather than throw one punch hard, they threw 2 or 3 punches hard. Heck, Sanders was probably more accomplished than Shavers. HW champ, beat a near prime Wlad, only lost 4 times in his career.

The question wasn't "Who threw one punch shots and tried to knock people out with them the most." The question was who was the hardest puncher. Tyson hit harder shot for shot than Shavers, not debatable. All of Tysons shots were hard, Shavers went for one shot and totally sold out on it. When Tyson wanted to throw the one giant punch he could and knocked people into next year, but thats not all Tyson went for. My point was you're treating Shavers like he hit harder simply because he was a limited fighter.

[Die Antwoord]

Originally Posted by Die Antwoord
Holmes had more in the tank when Tyson fought him than Ali or Norton did when Shavers fought them.

Somehow you took this line and thought it meant that I was saying HOlmes was in better shape when he fought Tyson than when he fought Ali or Norton. Thats not an argument, thats just inability to read.

[Die Antwoord]

Lol what's your problem ?, we try to debate and because we don't agree with your opinion you go in a ***** fit and try to offend people, and then you call other people internet warriors, funny stuff.

And debate, you aint trying to debate. You are trying to "get" me. Catch me in a mistake because you cannot debate against facts. Its like the clowns saying "All Larry Holmes quotes that I do not agree with were taken out of context." Thats not debating. You havent debated you have tried, pitifully I might add, to catch me in some sort of mistake. Gone so far as to just blatantly misread things.

Again, quit quoting me, you are obsessed with me. I want to go read about Pac vs. Margs, remember I just had an opinion, thats how this started, then was condesended.

One last opinion, young Wladimir Klitschko hit harder than Foreman or Shavers...so who cares. They did PSI tests in Germany and he was off the charts.

[Spartacus Sully]

Joe louis hit hardest.

ever hit an anvil and try to hammer through it? the vibrations go through your arm.

now hit the anvil so you tense up for only the moment before you hit. no vibrations in your hand, and all the kenetic energy goes into the anvil.

same thing hitting rocks with a metal bat.

tyson, foreman tried to hammer through the anvil.

louis and some times shavers knew how to tense up just at the right time.

probly why fitz was such a great puncher as he was a black smith and knew all about this.