Rocky Marciano VS Mike Tyson.

[uncle_rico]

i can't fathom how tyson and tua can be spoken in the same breath as greats like marciano and louis.
why? cuz i have friends and familiy who have actually seen
marciano and louis fight live and have seen tyson
fight on tv. and i hear the same from each of them;
louis is as good or better than tyson. same for marciano.

now ofcourse someone like hearns will counter that
with some ******ed comment like:

"your family says that cuz you're white and that's what all white people say"

ofourse that's what hearns would say, he's extremely predictable.
how do i know? cuz that's a typical douche bag response from
a typical douche bag. someone who, when they have no real proof to their argument, has to get mad and start talking about race or ethnic background cuz someone disagrees with them.

there's words to describe people like that; "ignorant", "classless", "patheric" are a few that come to mind...

people on this list see tyson and watch him on tv
with close ups so close you can see his sweat and blood.
then they watch a louis or marciano fight on some ****ty vhs or espn classic with the camera so far away you can barely see the fighters faces, let alone handspeed or sweat and blood.

and these same people think they can judge how fast and strong marciano or louis is by that!

ofcourse louis looked horrible on those films.
who would look good? you can't see anything?

that's the main problem.

technology is *awesome* today.
you watch a fight and you really see how fast and strong
guys are.
look at the pbf gatti fight, every punch to gatti's head
you saw so cleanly. you see the bruises, the sweat flying off
his face, you can see how hard these punches are.
in todays fights you can see body shots and the how the skins
ripples after the punch.

you just can't see that with the old footage so ofcourse
you can't see how fast and hard these guys punch.

really, i'd like to hear the opions of people like angelo dundee.
i'd like to hear what these old guys who've actually seen
the old and current guys fight have to say.

[Ali_is_the_greatest17]

I cant see tyson beating Rocky..in fact I cant see Rocky losing to anyone (besides Ali) because hes undefeated! I think it will be close throughout the fight. But Rocky can take punches and Tyson cant take punches..he showed that in the douglas fight. I think it will turn out to be a split desicion for Rocky. It will be a bloody mess and faces will be swelled up, but Rocky can take that kind of punishment.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol rico your family is white.So your family is ******ed.Of course they are going to say some little white boy is just as good as any black man.You are white.Nothing you say will bother me or prove anything.Black men rule the sport or boxing.So evidently being black or white means something.Lol you act like because footage is black or white it has something to do with how a fighter looks.
Kid you are a moron.Marciano looked impressive fighter mostly other slow small white guys,Tyson looked impressive fighter mostly 220 plus pound black men.Beating a 180 pound fighter and beating a good 220 pound fighter are 2 different things.And ooohhh your family likes Joe Louis?And?Louis was half white.And alot of white people try to find some black or half black to like to say they aren't racist.So your point is?
Louis looked impressive beating up small white guys.But when he fought a black fighter he got his ass kicked so again i guess being black means something doesn't it?
Haha and ot Ali is the greatest when the hell did Marciano show he can handle a 220 pound mans punch?He was dropped by Moore a middleweight.He was dropped by Walcott a 190 pound fighter.But he could handle a 220 pounds man punch like Tyson?Lol get the *** out of here.Tyson would crush him.So would Foreman Bowe Lewis Tua Lyle Frazier Norton Ibeabuchi Peters ect ect ect.
If it wasn't for complete idiots or racist morons like you this would be the best boxing forum there is.

[tommyhearns804]

Infact i am done responding to this subject.Evidently whites like you are to ****** to grasp any logical point so why bother trying?There are tons of other whites and blacks who make post here who know what they are talking about.I don't know why i wasted on second on some complete fool with his head stuck up his azz.Bye bye.Don't respond to any of my post any more and i won't respond to you.

[uncle_rico]

hehe, that was classic. hearns is too dumb to realize his answers only support my comments about him.
hehe, amazing.

rico: "now ofcourse someone like hearns will counter that
with some ******ed comment like:

"your family says that cuz you're white and that's
what all white people say"

ofourse that's what hearns would say, *he's extremely predictable.*
how do i know? cuz that's a typical douche bag response from
a typical douche bag. "

hearns: "rico your family is white.So your family is ******ed.Of course they are going to say some little white boy is just as good as any black man.You are white.Nothing you say will bother me or prove anything.Black men rule the sport or boxing."


geez, did i call it or what? this guy is textbook...


hearns: "Evidently whites like you are to ****** to grasp any logical point so why bother trying?"

uh, logical point? sorry douche bag, it's *speculation*, hypothetical discussion, understand? there is no logical point to any of it.
dumb ass. it's all opinion, that's what makes these discussions interesting and a fact that you cannot seem to grasp. this is a place to discuss unreal, hypothetical matchups. a place where people can postulate why someone from 50 years ago might/might not beat someone today and instead of listening/appreciating/being amused by different points of view from people all over the world (about something that can never even happen!!) you get all upset and bring up race and ethnicity _each_and_everytime_
please find one, just one, post about marciano that you participated in and did not mention his race or ethnic background, i bet you can't.

again hearns, you're the only one who brings up black and white.
read this whole post from start to finish. the words "black" and "white" were first introduced by non other than you.
you're the racist. undestand? sadly enough, even on an online forum you're too much of a ***** to admit it. and you say gay **** like "my favorite athletes are white" to prove what? that you're not racist. lol, what's wrong with you? at least have the nuts to admit what you are if you're gonna get all pissy about this ****. if you at least admit it, you won't sound so ******ed when you go off on a tangent about race everytime someone talks about marciano, cuz then people will know, "ok, that's hearns' response, he's a racist douche bag, so ofcourse he'll have to comment on a fighter's race to try to get his point across".
see? now people will understand your posts.
oh, and i like louis cuz he's half white? lol. where do you get some of this ****? honestly...

[grant555]

Mike Tyson in his prime, say 20 yrs ago, would have beaten Marciano because of his strength, but man what a fight it would've been. Great question to put on the thread though.

[tommyhearns804]

Yeah i would of been a great fight Tyson landing 2 or so punches and Marciano beaing knocked out laying on his back looking at the sky.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol Joe Louis Barrow is half white because he is.Learn about a fighter before you start to type.Lol why do you think Louis was so light?Because he was pure black?You keep bringing up color little child and then when i set you straight you say i use some racial bull shyt.
The only thing i said about color is blacks will pick Tyson because he is black and whites will pick Maricano because he is white.Tyson would crush Marciano because he was a pathetic little boxer with no skills.Tyson would crush Marciano because Tyson isn't a 180 pound fighter controlled by the Mafia..Tyson could crush Marciano because Marciano was probably one of the worse boxers who ever claimed a title in any weight class.That is why Tyson would crush Marciano

[uncle_rico]

"Lol Joe Louis Barrow is half white because he is.Learn about a fighter before you start to type."

no joke, you're just a prick. yeah, i need to know a guys exact race and ethnic background to like him as a fighter?
what's wrong with you? why would i need to know that? who honestly cares and what difference does it make?

"Lol why do you think Louis was so light?Because he was pure black?"
i dunno? why is colin powell so light?
both his parents are black, from jamacia as a matter of fact,
right?

but more importantly, unless you judge fighters by race, why would it matter?

"Tyson would crush Marciano because he was a pathetic little boxer with no skills."

hehe, guess what slick? too late. now you wanna give valid reasons for tyson beating marciano? don;t think so.
had you said that in the first place, fine. but you didn't/couldn't. you couldnt seem to get your point across without bringup up race. so don't try
and be diplomatic now. you said what you said, at least have
the nuts between your legs to stand by it. racist *****.

what's funny is, i bet hearns aint even black. i bet he's some dopey white kid who lives at home with his mom, works at like some used record store and wears tupac t-shirts and bandanas and thinks he's "from the street". lol. i bet that's it.
is that it hearns? you a wanna be? just some little angry white kid who has too much time on his hands? do you really look like jason litztau?
or maybe hearns really is black. perhaps some middle aged
black guy with with an incredibly menial job with pathetic pay who lives home with his mom and blames "the man" for his ****ty job/salary. is that is? is that why white fighters suck and blacks dominate boxing?sports?the world? is that it princess?
it's painfully obvious how much the preference of a fighter like marciano (evil white devil) over mike tyson (cherubic black savior) bothers you and affects *all your posts*. one has to wonder why...

in any case, may be i guessed wrong about hearns being white or black, but he defintely lives at home with his mom and defintely is pathetic.

[rocco1252]

I love this question no doubt, it has been asked numerous times and I continue to answer it just to get my opinion heard.
When we discuss great fighters we have to look at everything from the beginning of their career to the end of their career. Mike Tyson for example was a very good boxer he had hand speed, head movement and power behind a short stalky frame that was just all muscle plain and simple. The problem with Tyson was he was very good in his early years, he was on the path to becoming great and possibly even one of the top 10 heavy weights of all time. However Tyson didnt have heart, and after his stint in jail and he found someone who could with stand him he failed the rest of his career. He lacked heart and he lacked desire and hunger throughout his latter half of his career.
Marciano at "Great Fighter" was the total package, what everyone doesnt realize is that Marciano was the underdog his whole career, reports used to say he was going to lose every fight because of his poor fight style. Marciano had power in both hands in his record breaking short arms for a heavyweight, he had raw hunger for victory. Marciano was able to fight deep into fights and some how still possessed the power in his hands to knock a man clean out. He was short, thin, and light compared to most fighters of his era and that never made a difference, he had heart and hunger and that why he would have beat Tyson.
Marciano over Tyson in KO fasion I dont see Tyson being able to last late into the fight because both men could take incredible punishment but only one of them could last 12 rounds and still KO out!