Rocky Marciano VS Mike Tyson.

[uncle_rico]

> The fact that Marciano defeated Joe Louis is not a very solid argument

my point wasn't to bring up the level of competition, my point was to bring up marciano beat a guy who was 215lbs.
yeah, louis was finished by the time they fought, but i was trying to point out that the size issue is not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be.
i think a prime louis would smoke tyson as well for that matter.

[M26]

> The fact that Marciano defeated Joe Louis is not a very solid argument

my point wasn't to bring up the level of competition, my point was to bring up marciano beat a guy who was 215lbs.
yeah, louis was finished by the time they fought, but i was trying to point out that the size issue is not as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be.
i think a prime louis would smoke tyson as well for that matter.

I agree. There is too much focus on the weight issue.

[tommyhearns804]

This debate will always go on.White guys will alawys tell you a 180 pound man like Marciano could beat 220 pound plus guys and Black guys will always tell you Tyson was this bad man who could never lose.I am black and you are both wrong.
Marciano never fought any 220 pound world class fighters period in his career.The fighters Marciano fought usually weighed between 155 naturally like Moore(Moore was a middleweight.He fought there for 7 years)to guys weighing about 200 pounds.Being good at knocking out bascially 180 pound bums doens't have anything to do with him knocking out the guys Tyson fought.
If you believe Marciano would win because he has better stamina then you are ******ed.Frazier had better stamina than Foreman but did it matter?Foreman was just to big and powerful for him.Marciano would not be able to hurt Tyson period.Marciano had a hell of a time knocking out guys like Charles and Moorer who were naturally middleweights and neither had good chins for middleweights or any other weight class they fought at.Moore probably went down at least 30 to 40 times in his career but it took Marciano 8 or 9 rounds to finally finish off a 40 plus year old Moore.Tyson is bigger fast and tougher than Moore ,Charles,Walcott or even Louis.
Marciano was the slowest fighter i ever seen in any weight class.Tyson at his best had one of the best handspeed.Marciano would never make it out of first round with guys like Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,Tua,Foreman ect ect ect.
And Trying to compare guys like Mccline to Marciano is hilarious.Mccline isn't much of a fighter compared to other big 220 230 plus pound guys.But if he could fight the small guys Maricano fouht he would of never lost either and his ko percentage would be alot higher.
And if you people have read any of my other post then you know i can't stand Tyson.He is a cowardly rapist and i have nothing really positive to say about him.He is a disgrace to the sport of boxing.But no 180 pound fighter like Marciano could ever beat him.No glass chin guy like Louis could ever beat a prime Tyson.Tyson would own any fighter before Liston.I would love to see Tyson lose to these guys but unlike most of you my eyes aren't blinded by what i want to think i just go back fact and logic.And they both point to Tyson blowing out Marciano in one round.

[uncle_rico]

This debate will always go on.White guys will alawys tell you a 180 pound man like Marciano could beat 220 pound plus guys and Black guys will always tell you Tyson was this bad man who could never lose.I am black and you are both wrong.
Marciano never fought any 220 pound world class fighters period in his career.The fighters Marciano fought usually weighed between 155 naturally like Moore(Moore was a middleweight.He fought there for 7 years)to guys weighing about 200 pounds.Being good at knocking out bascially 180 pound bums doens't have anything to do with him knocking out the guys Tyson fought.
If you believe Marciano would win because he has better stamina then you are ******ed.Frazier had better stamina than Foreman but did it matter?Foreman was just to big and powerful for him.Marciano would not be able to hurt Tyson period.Marciano had a hell of a time knocking out guys like Charles and Moorer who were naturally middleweights and neither had good chins for middleweights or any other weight class they fought at.Moore probably went down at least 30 to 40 times in his career but it took Marciano 8 or 9 rounds to finally finish off a 40 plus year old Moore.Tyson is bigger fast and tougher than Moore ,Charles,Walcott or even Louis.
Marciano was the slowest fighter i ever seen in any weight class.Tyson at his best had one of the best handspeed.Marciano would never make it out of first round with guys like Tyson,Lewis,Bowe,Tua,Foreman ect ect ect.
And Trying to compare guys like Mccline to Marciano is hilarious.Mccline isn't much of a fighter compared to other big 220 230 plus pound guys.But if he could fight the small guys Maricano fouht he would of never lost either and his ko percentage would be alot higher.
And if you people have read any of my other post then you know i can't stand Tyson.He is a cowardly rapist and i have nothing really positive to say about him.He is a disgrace to the sport of boxing.But no 180 pound fighter like Marciano could ever beat him.No glass chin guy like Louis could ever beat a prime Tyson.Tyson would own any fighter before Liston.I would love to see Tyson lose to these guys but unlike most of you my eyes aren't blinded by what i want to think i just go back fact and logic.And they both point to Tyson blowing out Marciano in one round.

same **** out out of you time after time...

you're like one of eddie murphy's characters from
coming to america in the barbershop:
"rocky marciano, rocky marciano, every time a white
man talk about boxin he gotta pull rocky marciano
out his ass". lol.

first, no one gives a **** that your black.
you mentioning that you're black does what?
validates your argument? makes you correct?
(those are rhetorical questions, the answer is "no" to both).
please read this from top to bottom.
*you and only you* brought up black and white.
you're a real class act, you know that?

what's sad is, if marciano was black, you'd probably like
him as much as joe frazier. and what's with you talking
**** about joe louis? the guy is arguably the best heavyweight
ever...

anyway, let's leave marciano out for a moment, as you really
i mean *really* are affected by this race thing here.
joe louis regularly fought at 210/215. he would crush
tyson. ok? so, now i'm talking about one black guy
and another black guy, ok hearns? let's leave the evil
white devils out for a moment.
joe louis, arguably the best heavyweight of all time
would crush tyson. there ya go.
he's almost as big as tyson in the weight dept and is taller
than tyson.
louis would not be intimidated by tyson. he'd get hit
and hit back and tyson would crumble, just like he did
against everyone else who actually fought him back.

tyson = overrated in the historical sense.

[tommyhearns804]

Lol if Marciano was black he would still get his ass kicked by Tyson.But you are white .You will always give praise to a white fighter over a black one.
Louis is naturally around 200 not 215 or 220.So Marciano beat a washed up fighter who was at his best at around 200 so what is your point?Who did Joe Louis beat?Jack Sharkey?Lol the funny thing about racist whites like you is when you try to make others out to be racist.Joe Louis is black.Jack Johnson was black.Niether could ever beat Marciano or a guy like Dempsey who as we know are both white.All of my favorite atheletes are white besides Tommy Hearns and George Foreman.So if you think i am racist then try again little boy.
Marciano would be destroyed by Tyson because he is to small ******.It has nothing to do with his color.But the reason you think he would win is because he is white.Until Vitali won the title who was the last heavyweight champion who was white?Does this mean white guys can't fight.Again hell no.But you have to fight blacks and whites to be considered great.And the fact is Maricano only fought 5 black fighters as a pro.And all of them gave him a hell of a time.Neither of these fighters were as quick and powerful as Tyson.Infact none were naturally heavyweight.Louis would be a big cruiserweight today.
Marciano isnt a heavyweight period.To say he could beat any decent heavyweight is absurd.Do you see any other 180 pound fighter moving up to heavyweight and knocking out anybody?Hell no.Jone and Toney moved up and fought Ruiz who is naturally a 180 to 90 pound man.And neither knocked him out.Why would Marciano be able to move up and knock out guys like Bowe,Lewis ect ect ect?Because he is white?
Man this is getting old.No matter how nice you try to make this some whites will always have to pull Maricano out of their ass.Marciano so strong and tough bull****.Marciano was tough for a 180 pound fighter fighting other 180 pound fighters.Tyson has made a living out of knocking out 220 pound men.Tyson is a heavyweight Marciano isn't.Marciano would be destroyed.But anyway why bother to explain this.You are white so you will try to build up Marciano to something he will never be.Most young black guys will try to build up Tyson to soemthing he never was.
But Tyson still owns any slow handed weak 180 pound fighter.

[TheEvilSaint]

hell, bonecrusher smith, james tillis, tony tucker, and mitch green all went the distance with a prime mike tyson.

if they could, surely the man with the chin of platinum (whats stronger than platinum?), the heart of a giant, the stamina to last forever, and the power of Superman could not only take Tyson's punches, but also give them back.

Marciano by KO in the mid-late rounds.

[kapersky]

all this bs about how marciano would destoy tyson make me sick. for a 180pounds guy yes he is very tough and hard. but if you think he could beat tyson then you are ****

[tommyhearns804]

And just to prove my point which is whites only think Marciano could beat 220 plus pound heavyweights because he is white .
O'Neil Bell is far more skilled than Maricano.Bell actually fights black men in their primes.Bell is 24-1 with 22 ko's which means he can punch.Sure he got a gift whin in his last fight but Marciano got 2 gift decisions earlier in his career as well.Ted Lowry who was 57-46 at the time he fought Marciano and he beat Marciano but was robbed.LaStarza was also beat Marciano and got robbed.
But anyway how many of you think Bell could knock out Lewis or Foreman or a prime Tyson?None of you that is how many.And sure you will say well Marciano is better than Bell.But how do you figure this?If Marciano had to get a gift decision over a guy with almost 50 loses on his record then why would you assume he could beat a guy like Bell?If glass chin guy with no punching power like Charles could stand toe to toe with Marciano then why wouldnt a superior fight like Bell couldn't do the same?
Bell would get his azz handed to him if he tried to slug it out with any 220 plus pound white black rican asian mexican heavyweight with any power and wasnt a complete bum.
It is possible however for a guy Bell size to fight guys naturally bigger and stronger than him and out box them.The problem with that is Marciano couldn't box.He had no jab to speak of.His hand speed was horrible.His game plan was to come foward and try to knock you out.Again sure this worked against other fighters his size but this would be suicide against any true heavyweight who wasn't a complete bum.
So lasty ignore rico.Anything you say to a white guy is racist unless you kiss his ass.I could care less what skin color you are.Infact just a week ago me and my nephew got into a heated discussion about just because you are black you can beat a white guy.Which as we all know is bull.Size is important in boxing.That is why there are weight classes.You don't see featherweights fighting middle weights do you?Size is the most important factor in this.Skill can be second.Toughness is unimpotant for the most part.Chuvalo was tough as hell but did it help him against Foreman?Frazier was tough but was destroyed.Toughness helps if you break your hand or knows or ribs and keep fighting through the pain.Toughness has nothing to do with a guy landing a punch that bounces your brain around your skull and renders you unconcious.
Marciano is a average fighter who would never beat the likes of Tyson so deal with it.I know my boxing and you evidently do not.

[TheEvilSaint]

all this bs about how marciano would destoy tyson make me sick. for a 180pounds guy yes he is very tough and hard. but if you think he could beat tyson then you are ****

"then you are ****?" what does it mean to be ****?

all of a sudden, a 180lb man cant take a 220lb man's punch?
u wanna tell that to joe louis who was a 210lb powerpuncher and who threw everything he had at rocky and couldnt even faze him?

get ur facts straight, dumass.

[TheEvilSaint]

And just to prove my point which is whites only think Marciano could beat 220 plus pound heavyweights because he is white .
O'Neil Bell is far more skilled than Maricano.Bell actually fights black men in their primes.Bell is 24-1 with 22 ko's which means he can punch.Sure he got a gift whin in his last fight but Marciano got 2 gift decisions earlier in his career as well.Ted Lowry who was 57-46 at the time he fought Marciano and he beat Marciano but was robbed.LaStarza was also beat Marciano and got robbed.
But anyway how many of you think Bell could knock out Lewis or Foreman or a prime Tyson?None of you that is how many.And sure you will say well Marciano is better than Bell.But how do you figure this?If Marciano had to get a gift decision over a guy with almost 50 loses on his record then why would you assume he could beat a guy like Bell?If glass chin guy with no punching power like Charles could stand toe to toe with Marciano then why wouldnt a superior fight like Bell couldn't do the same?
Bell would get his azz handed to him if he tried to slug it out with any 220 plus pound white black rican asian mexican heavyweight with any power and wasnt a complete bum.
It is possible however for a guy Bell size to fight guys naturally bigger and stronger than him and out box them.The problem with that is Marciano couldn't box.He had no jab to speak of.His hand speed was horrible.His game plan was to come foward and try to knock you out.Again sure this worked against other fighters his size but this would be suicide against any true heavyweight who wasn't a complete bum.
So lasty ignore rico.Anything you say to a white guy is racist unless you kiss his ass.I could care less what skin color you are.Infact just a week ago me and my nephew got into a heated discussion about just because you are black you can beat a white guy.Which as we all know is bull.Size is important in boxing.That is why there are weight classes.You don't see featherweights fighting middle weights do you?Size is the most important factor in this.Skill can be second.Toughness is unimpotant for the most part.Chuvalo was tough as hell but did it help him against Foreman?Frazier was tough but was destroyed.Toughness helps if you break your hand or knows or ribs and keep fighting through the pain.Toughness has nothing to do with a guy landing a punch that bounces your brain around your skull and renders you unconcious.
Marciano is a average fighter who would never beat the likes of Tyson so deal with it.I know my boxing and you evidently do not.

this is one of the dumbest posts anyone has ever posted.