Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[krazyn8tive]

Wlad is probably one of the strongest guys, in term of overall strenghth, in boxing history. Tyson was likely the strongest.

[Wlad Klitschko]

I think Wlad is much stronger than Ali ever was. I think the best Ali was before lay off where he was more a cruiser than a true heavyweight. I am not fool, I have boxed before and I know strength isnt everything, but after reading on here while i noticed that people disparage Klitschkos quite a bit and was curious if they even doubt his strength. He is so strong. Ali look like mouse to Klitschko. Ali liked to clinch in his later days and if he clinched Klitschko, Wlad would wrestle Ali and put his weight on him. Ali loved putting his weight on other fighters, holding their heads down etc...He not do that to wlad. Especially later Ali, the one who beat Foreman, would be at severe disadvantage agaist prime Wlad, but people act like Wlad have no chance? Wlad is champion. Wlad is great champion. But on strength alone to me it is not a question, but if people debate that Ali is stronger it shows there is no hope for debate or for people to take Wlad serious as he is.

[musiol]

Skills and punch resistance I do not know? In terms of not being hit in the face and being able to keep opponents away, you have to go with Wlad? Is that not a skill? Also which Ali are we talking about, because Cassius Clay did not take a punch very good. His staggering to his corner after the Cooper his would have been stopped and called a loss, and that was a 185 lbs guy. A very similar thing happened to Wlad...staggering to a corner after being knocked down. So if you go with punch resistance you must be talking about post suspension Ali, therefore his skills were nowhere near that of Wlads, because he couldnt stop being pummelled to the face and he lost a ton of rounds where as Wlad now never loses rounds.

Also gut department? Wlad has never quit, always gotten up. He has never finished a match on the canvas,but rather has only lost by the ref calling it. So I dont know where you question Wlad's guts.

Thats not the topic though. Can you not admit that Wlad is stronger without trying to disparage him?

ali has miles better punch resistance to wlad,alis skills are way better than wlads your on acid man,wlad wins more rounds because he fights in the worst heavyweight era ever

[Wlad Klitschko]

ali has miles better punch resistance to wlad,alis skills are way better than wlads your on acid man,wlad wins more rounds because he fights in the worst heavyweight era ever

If Ali always had better punch resistance how does 185 lbs little man knock him down and hurt him. Wlad never get hurt by 185 lbs little man? Also, Wlad does not get punched in face by mid level fighters. Wlad does not get hit. Eddie Chambers is much better than many of Ali's opponents. Wlad beat him without getting hit. Opinions are not facts. To say todays heavyweight division is the worst is an opinion. To say Ali's skills are better is opinion. However, opinions should be backed up with a fact. I say Ali did not take punch well because 185 lbs little man hurt him. I say Ali's not as skilled because he developed brain damage blocking punches with his face. He also never threw a body shot. It would take body shots to beat wlad. I say Wlad always got up so its hard to question his gut. Did he punch himself out at times sure? Did Sanders hurt him? Of course, but Wlad never quit. He always got up.

I want to know more abotu Terrell and how he stacks up in comparison to Wlad in terms of weight and KO%.

[BattlingNelson]

Skills and punch resistance I do not know? In terms of not being hit in the face and being able to keep opponents away, you have to go with Wlad? Is that not a skill? Also which Ali are we talking about, because Cassius Clay did not take a punch very good. His staggering to his corner after the Cooper his would have been stopped and called a loss, and that was a 185 lbs guy. A very similar thing happened to Wlad...staggering to a corner after being knocked down. So if you go with punch resistance you must be talking about post suspension Ali, therefore his skills were nowhere near that of Wlads, because he couldnt stop being pummelled to the face and he lost a ton of rounds where as Wlad now never loses rounds.

Also gut department? Wlad has never quit, always gotten up. He has never finished a match on the canvas,but rather has only lost by the ref calling it. So I dont know where you question Wlad's guts.

Thats not the topic though. Can you not admit that Wlad is stronger without trying to disparage him?

I did say that Wlad was stronger didn't I?

In terms of punchresitance the Ali that was up at 4 after absorbing one of the greatest left hooks ever thrown is quite amazing. Had that Frazier hook landed on Wlads chin I'd fear for his life.

Guts: Well Wlad's got guts alright, but nobody beats Ali inside or outside the ring there.

[Wlad Klitschko]

I did say that Wlad was stronger didn't I?

In terms of punchresitance the Ali that was up at 4 after absorbing one of the greatest left hooks ever thrown is quite amazing. Had that Frazier hook landed on Wlads chin I'd fear for his life.

Guts: Well Wlad's got guts alright, but nobody beats Ali inside or outside the ring there.

Outside ring? Ali afraid to go to war. To fight for country. I guess you do not know the Klitschko's well. Either one would give their life for their country. Ali surrounded himself with members of ********* group and cheat on his wife. Wlad does not do that. Wlad is noble. Ali was not noble. Ali was cheat. It does not take guts to cheat on wife.

Again, Ali punch resistance improved throughout his career I do not deny. But his skills and speed diminished. People make mistake of combining old and young ali into some super fighter, which he never was. It would be like combinign wlad and vitali. Wlad with Vitali's chin and toughness would be the perfect fighter, but that not real.

[BattlingNelson]

Outside ring? Ali afraid to go to war. To fight for country. I guess you do not know the Klitschko's well. Either one would give their life for their country. Ali surrounded himself with members of ********* group and cheat on his wife. Wlad does not do that. Wlad is noble. Ali was not noble. Ali was cheat. It does not take guts to cheat on wife.

Again, Ali punch resistance improved throughout his career I do not deny. But his skills and speed diminished. People make mistake of combining old and young ali into some super fighter, which he never was. It would be like combinign wlad and vitali. Wlad with Vitali's chin and toughness would be the perfect fighter, but that not real.

I dont think you are aware of the political climate in the US in the 60ies and the risk Ali was taking both in regards to his job, his family and to his life.

[Wlad Klitschko]

I dont think you are aware of the political climate in the US in the 60ies and the risk Ali was taking both in regards to his job, his family and to his life.

Ali take no risk. He walk around with killers and *********s. Ali also fought majority of fights againt men who lost during that year. That is not brave. That is not guts. Why fight Frazier 3rd time? Frazier already over hill and exposed. Ali fight Frazier and admit because he thought it be easy. Why fight guy with 6 wins when champion? Cause no gut. Wlad takes on anyone who he can. No one fight him because he is scared. No one was scared to fight Ali.

[sonnyboyx2]

And by strength i mean punching power and just lifting type strength, who would have more strength in the clinch, or if you put them in a gym who would lift more.

Ali would have the most strength but Klitschko when he takes his roids

[BattlingNelson]

Ali take no risk. He walk around with killers and *********s. Ali also fought majority of fights againt men who lost during that year. That is not brave. That is not guts. Why fight Frazier 3rd time? Frazier already over hill and exposed. Ali fight Frazier and admit because he thought it be easy. Why fight guy with 6 wins when champion? Cause no gut. Wlad takes on anyone who he can. No one fight him because he is scared. No one was scared to fight Ali.

I will not debate on this low level.