Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[Steak]

In a hypothetical Wlad-Ali matchup, I doubt there would be any clinches. Wlad and Ali only clinch when someone is trying to fight on the inside...neither of them would fight that way against one another.

Oh yes but Wlad is the stronger guy I would imagine, at least upper body.

Ali's best was around the time he got banned from boxing...around the Cleveland Williams fight. He had the best combination of punch resistance, speed, and overall ring experience.

[Wlad Klitschko]

I will not debate on this low level.

What is low level? What is untrue. Did his groups not support terrorism and violence. Did he not employ many bodyguards. Your Robert E. Lee for example did not believe in slavery or the civil war, but still fought because his countrymen fought. That is courage. Ali, not courageous. Did he not cheat on wife and fight man who had 6 wins? Did he refuse to give rematches to doug jones, young, and shavers, but yet demanded them from Nortan and Frazier?

Wlad is good man. Patriot. Please do not compare him out of ring to Ali.

[#1Assassin]

obviously wlad was stronger, ali was the far superior fighter though.

[tyger]

Stronger like who could lift more weights or who could take a punch better?

[tyger]

I don't know why people are comparing Klitschko to Ali so much anyways. It's not fair to Klitschko because Ali was in a completely different class.

[Wlad Klitschko]

obviously wlad was stronger, ali was the far superior fighter though.

You say oh Ali far superior at fighter, but no evidence. Record not better. Size not better. Not as strong. Much smaller man. Many more wars. Never a champ like wlad where people refuse to fight him. Everyone wanted to fight Ali. No one will fight Wlad.

[Wlad Klitschko]

I don't know why people are comparing Klitschko to Ali so much anyways. It's not fair to Klitschko because Ali was in a completely different class.

What class was that? Do you mean Ali was more of a cruiser weight? If so I agree. we should compare Ali to likes of Haye and Adamek. Not to heavyweight champion like wlad. Ali not big enough to fight a man like Wlad. Ali get knocked down by tiny little men.

Let me guess. You think Ali has better chin than Vitali. People worship Ali like god, but he not god.

[musiol]

You say oh Ali far superior at fighter, but no evidence. Record not better. Size not better. Not as strong. Much smaller man. Many more wars. Never a champ like wlad where people refuse to fight him. Everyone wanted to fight Ali. No one will fight Wlad.

your ****ing ****** man and clearly joined the wrong site you and STEELHAMMER who is another poster on this site will get on well.RECORD not better lolololol much smaller man so **** thats how he was born lol more wars because wlad cant have a war he gets sparked lol

[boxing boy]

If Ali always had better punch resistance how does 185 lbs little man knock him down and hurt him. Wlad never get hurt by 185 lbs little man? Also, Wlad does not get punched in face by mid level fighters. Wlad does not get hit. Eddie Chambers is much better than many of Ali's opponents. Wlad beat him without getting hit. Opinions are not facts. To say todays heavyweight division is the worst is an opinion. To say Ali's skills are better is opinion. However, opinions should be backed up with a fact. I say Ali did not take punch well because 185 lbs little man hurt him. I say Ali's not as skilled because he developed brain damage blocking punches with his face. He also never threw a body shot. It would take body shots to beat wlad. I say Wlad always got up so its hard to question his gut. Did he punch himself out at times sure? Did Sanders hurt him? Of course, but Wlad never quit. He always got up.

I want to know more abotu Terrell and how he stacks up in comparison to Wlad in terms of weight and KO%.

I just want to talk about one thing you keep talking about.Cassius Clay got knocked down by Cooper in 1963 early in his career with only 18 pro fights.Clay was 4 years "before" his Prime of 1967 when he was Muhammad Ali.

Yes,Clay beat Sonny Liston 3 years before his prime.He was that good! Muhammad Ali was 29-0-23 KO's with 9 title defenses in 1967.A much better fighter and a much better chin than 4 years before in 1963.

What part of that don't you understand? I have told you this about 5 times,and you have never had an answer? Your almost as bad as TheMagicMan,Lol

[Wlad Klitschko]

I just want to talk about one thing you keep talking about.Cassius Clay got knocked down by Cooper in 1963 early in his career with only 18 pro fights.Clay was 4 years "before" his Prime of 1967 when he was Muhammad Ali.

Yes,Clay beat Sonny Liston 3 years before his prime.He was that good! Muhammad Ali was 29-0-23 KO's with 9 title defenses in 1967.A much better fighter and a much better chin than 4 years before in 1963.

What part of that don't you understand? I have told you this about 5 times,and you have never had an answer? Your almost as bad as TheMagicMan,Lol

Ok, Wlad is now in his prime, in his prime starting in 2005, he is 11-0 Late 20's, found the right trainer, matured into his body etc... he had 9 KO's and 2 UD's. 5 of the fighters were undefeated. Only one had over 3 losses. Clearly in his prime Wlad is the best ever by your "prime" rules. And these werent the bums, including a police chief, that Ali was fighting. These were all top 10 ranked heavies. Oh and 9 title defenses as well. The numbers you cite for Ali were against bums. Look at Calzaghes first 22 fights. 22-0 21 knock outs. I guess that makes him a great puncher?

Wlad in his prime has only been knocked down in one fight. And those were more pushes and rabbit punches.

In Ali's "prime" he fought only one undefeated fighter. A guy who went on to lose a ton and was also 189 lbs. 8 out of the 29 wins came against guys with double digit losses. 2 more came against guys with only 1 win. How you count guys with one win? How count Cleaveland Williams. He shot? He lose 8 times after being shot. Once good, after no good.

Prime is all relative, this not right forum for me I think. I use facts and not blinded by nostalgia. Maybe the main forum better.