Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[turdleburgle]

looks like themagicman is back and lol at him pretending to be european.I must break you lol.

[frankenfrank]

What is low level? What is untrue. Did his groups not support terrorism and violence. Did he not employ many bodyguards. Your Robert E. Lee for example did not believe in slavery or the civil war, but still fought because his countrymen fought. That is courage. Ali, not courageous. Did he not cheat on wife and fight man who had 6 wins? Did he refuse to give rematches to doug jones, young, and shavers, but yet demanded them from Nortan and Frazier?

Wlad is good man. Patriot. Please do not compare him out of ring to Ali.

He also did not rematch Foreman , whom he needed the 20-24 ft ring's ropes dressed on a 16 ft ring in order to evade and absorb punches better in order to tire an aggressive Foreman that would have beaten him under legitimate circumstances.
Just watch the Ali-Foreman fight (its 8 rounds are on youtube) and get what I'm saying : Ali "won" because of the ropes.

[frankenfrank]

You say oh Ali far superior at fighter, but no evidence. Record not better. Size not better. Not as strong. Much smaller man. Many more wars. Never a champ like wlad where people refuse to fight him. Everyone wanted to fight Ali. No one will fight Wlad.

I doubt if Arreola would refuse to face Wlad.

[musiol]

amazing crap has been spoken on this thread franken frank had to get involved cause he hates ali,how anyone can agree with thread starter is beyond me his posts make wlad sound like the ultimate machine warrior

[BattlingNelson]

How many HOF'ers have Wlad beaten?

[boxing boy]

Ok, Wlad is now in his prime, in his prime starting in 2005, he is 11-0 Late 20's, found the right trainer, matured into his body etc... he had 9 KO's and 2 UD's. 5 of the fighters were undefeated. Only one had over 3 losses. Clearly in his prime Wlad is the best ever by your "prime" rules. And these werent the bums, including a police chief, that Ali was fighting. These were all top 10 ranked heavies. Oh and 9 title defenses as well. The numbers you cite for Ali were against bums. Look at Calzaghes first 22 fights. 22-0 21 knock outs. I guess that makes him a great puncher?

Wlad in his prime has only been knocked down in one fight. And those were more pushes and rabbit punches.

In Ali's "prime" he fought only one undefeated fighter. A guy who went on to lose a ton and was also 189 lbs. 8 out of the 29 wins came against guys with double digit losses. 2 more came against guys with only 1 win. How you count guys with one win? How count Cleaveland Williams. He shot? He lose 8 times after being shot. Once good, after no good.

Prime is all relative, this not right forum for me I think. I use facts and not blinded by nostalgia. Maybe the main forum better.

Muhammad Ali beat Foreman(KO) and Frazier 2 out of 3 times AFTER his 3 1/2 year lay-off.Can you imagine what he would do to them in his prime?

That shoots down your theory again MagicJack,Lol

[Suckmedry]

Wlad is a bigger man who has trained more with weights, he would be stronger than Ali.

Not that being stronger would stop Ali from beating him up though.

[SBleeder]

Did you guys hear that Wlad Klitschko was confirmed to be a ****sexual?

[frankenfrank]

How many HOF'ers have Wlad beaten?

You know the number of HOFers grows over time.
Someday , Chris Byrd and Sam Peter are gonna be there , you know .
Maybe even Eddie Chambers.
Peter and Chambers are not done yet with their careers , at least not Peter.
But what does it matter ? Roy Jones will be HOFer , but should beating him at HW or CW , or well beyond his best days count ?

Counting HOFers on a fighter's resume/winning resume is much worse than boxrecing.

[frankenfrank]

Muhammad Ali beat Foreman(KO) and Frazier 2 out of 3 times AFTER his 3 1/2 year lay-off.Can you imagine what he would do to them in his prime?

That shoots down your theory again MagicJack,Lol

Requesting a 16 ft ring is not chating.
What about the 3 facts :
1) The unfit ropes in Zaire helped Ali to both evade and absorb Foreman's punches.
2) Ali never beat Foreman under legitimate conditions
3) Ali never rematched Foreman despite he fought plenty of men twice or more.