Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[Roger Yomama]

You know the number of HOFers grows over time.
Someday , Chris Byrd and Sam Peter are gonna be there , you know .
Maybe even Eddie Chambers.
Peter and Chambers are not done yet with their careers , at least not Peter.
But what does it matter ? Roy Jones will be HOFer , but should beating him at HW or CW , or well beyond his best days count ?

Counting HOFers on a fighter's resume/winning resume is much worse than boxrecing.

Based on what? Seriously. What have they done that even deserves nomination?

[Steak]

Ok, Wlad is now in his prime, in his prime starting in 2005, he is 11-0 Late 20's, found the right trainer, matured into his body etc... he had 9 KO's and 2 UD's. 5 of the fighters were undefeated. Only one had over 3 losses. Clearly in his prime Wlad is the best ever by your "prime" rules. And these werent the bums, including a police chief, that Ali was fighting. These were all top 10 ranked heavies. Oh and 9 title defenses as well. The numbers you cite for Ali were against bums. Look at Calzaghes first 22 fights. 22-0 21 knock outs. I guess that makes him a great puncher?

Wlad in his prime has only been knocked down in one fight. And those were more pushes and rabbit punches.

In Ali's "prime" he fought only one undefeated fighter. A guy who went on to lose a ton and was also 189 lbs. 8 out of the 29 wins came against guys with double digit losses. 2 more came against guys with only 1 win. How you count guys with one win? How count Cleaveland Williams. He shot? He lose 8 times after being shot. Once good, after no good.

Prime is all relative, this not right forum for me I think. I use facts and not blinded by nostalgia. Maybe the main forum better.

I didnt think I had to do this, but I guess here it goes...
Ali beat....

Floyd Patterson, former Heavyweight champion
Sonny Liston, former Heavyweight champion
Joe Frazier, former Heavyweigth champion
George Foreman, current Heavyweight champion and who again became Heavyweight champion when he was 45 years old
Ken Norton, who had a very close fight with Holmes, who ruled the division for the next NINE years
Earnie Shavers, widely considered the hardest puncher of all time

note that everytime I say 'Heavyweight champion', its the lineal, undisputed HW champion Im talking here, not an alphabet belt holder. I give Wladimir a lot of respect as a very talented fighter, but the fact of the matter is he has never become the lineal champion in his division, and that his best win to date is still Chris Byrd.

And Ali getting knocked down by Bert Cooper at 21 is less embarressing than Wladimir Klitschko getting TKOed by Ross Purity at 22.

[JAB5239]

He also did not rematch Foreman , whom he needed the 20-24 ft ring's ropes dressed on a 16 ft ring in order to evade and absorb punches better in order to tire an aggressive Foreman that would have beaten him under legitimate circumstances.
Just watch the Ali-Foreman fight (its 8 rounds are on youtube) and get what I'm saying : Ali "won" because of the ropes.

Have you ever boxed or set up a boxing ring for an event? If 20 to 24 foot ropes were put on a 16 foot ring they'd be sagging nearly to the apron. How little you actually know about this sport becomes more clear everyday.

[Steak]

Based on what? Seriously. What have they done that even deserves nomination?

Chris Byrd is the only one who has any sort of chance of being HOF, simply because he was a blown up light heavyweight/Cruiserweight doing well at HW and has that 'TKO win' over Vitali. He also became a title holder later on. probably the only true, non-controversial good win he ever had is David Tua and an old man Holyfield.
considering he got a gift against Fres Oquendo, struggled with McCline and drew with an older Golota is pretty bad though.

Lamon Brewster has a better chance of getting in the HOF than Sam Peter and Eddie Chambers, and even then...he has about as much chance of getting in as Hasim Rahman

[JAB5239]

This is clearly a troll thread.

[SBleeder]

Chris Byrd is the only one who has any sort of chance of being HOF, simply because he was a blown up light heavyweight/Cruiserweight doing well at HW and has that 'TKO win' over Vitali. He also became a title holder later on. probably the only true, non-controversial good win he ever had is David Tua and an old man Holyfield.
considering he got a gift against Fres Oquendo, struggled with McCline and drew with an older Golota is pretty bad though.

Lamon Brewster has a better chance of getting in the HOF than Sam Peter and Eddie Chambers, and even then...he has about as much chance of getting in as Hasim Rahman

Are you trying to say The Rock shouldn't be a first ballot shoe-in?

[BillyBoxing]

Probably Klitschko because he is bigger?

But fights are not won by how much you can bench.

Ali would spank Klitschko for 15 rounds like he did Terrel.

Don't think Klit is as bad as Terrel,that guy Terrell didn't have the power,skills Klits has...

[Steak]

Are you trying to say The Rock shouldn't be a first ballot shoe-in?

that is correct.

Why would Rahman get in? his claim to fame is upsetting Lewis(good job) and beating Corrie Sanders(gutsy performance).
how that is hall of fame is beyond me

[NECK SNAPPER]

boxing has alot to do with strenth.but strenth of the chin we all know ali
had the chin to win wlad has shown more than once he didnt.in a curling
contest wlad by a mile.boxing strenth ali by ko.he beat big george in his prime.
and george was a monster.

[lolivivi]

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I will prefer punching power . Because punching power can get the maximum power play.