Who Was Stronger: Wlad Klitschko or Muhammad Ali

[Wlad Klitschko]

Joe Frazier brutaly KO's UNDEFEATED 6'3" 243 1/2lbs Buster Mathis.

Then George Foreman brutaly KO's UNDEFEATED Joe Frazier.

Then Muhammad Ali KO's UNDEFEATED unbeatable George Foreman.

Geeeezzzzzzz,how can UNDEFEATED 6'3" 243lb Buster Mathis be on the bottom of the list?

I mean,Mathis was just not big.He could move and dance around the ring.He was an excellent boxer,with good speed.But little Joe Frazier ended his career.He was never the same after getting half killed by Smokin' Joe.So how can this big skillful fighter be at the bottom of the list of these fighters? I thought these big,quick fighters would destroy those little fighters like Foreman,Frazier,and Ali?

Me thinks all four of these fighters whip the clit brothers.

OK boxrec warrior. Buster Mathis dropped down to 220 the same year he fought Frazier. Why? Because he was fat at 240+. He had never gone past 10 rounds before and Frazier outlasted him. Mathis's only other match past 7 rounds was a SD win that many said he lost to Bob Stallings, a 200 pounder whose career record was 31-32. Nice try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtG6fSpy9w

This is Mathis at 230. Notice how his arms are 1/4th the size of either Wlad or Vitali. Notice how much smaller his legs are. Notice that even at 230 there are rolls above his trunks. Notice his inability to use a jab. Nothing like Wlad and nothin like Vitali.

Keep trying, Im sure a few more trips to boxrec and youll gain some knowledge.

[boxing boy]

OK boxrec warrior. Buster Mathis dropped down to 220 the same year he fought Frazier. Why? Because he was fat at 240+. He had never gone past 10 rounds before and Frazier outlasted him. Mathis's only other match past 7 rounds was a SD win that many said he lost to Bob Stallings, a 200 pounder whose career record was 31-32. Nice try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtG6fSpy9w

This is Mathis at 230. Notice how his arms are 1/4th the size of either Wlad or Vitali. Notice how much smaller his legs are. Notice that even at 230 there are rolls above his trunks. Notice his inability to use a jab. Nothing like Wlad and nothin like Vitali.

Keep trying, Im sure a few more trips to boxrec and youll gain some knowledge.

You show how ****** you are with every post.Buster Mathis had to come down from 300lbs to fight you idiot.Look at his amateur career first you moron.You do know he was going to represent the United States in the olympics? But he got hurt.The guy he beat to go to the olympics(Joe Frazier) won a Gold medal!! Mathis would have won that Gold medal if he didn't get hurt.Go find that one in boxrec,Lol When Mathis turned pro he had to DROP WEIGHT to get down to 250lbs.Didn't know that did you? You see,i was following boxing and Ali,Frazier,and Mathis at this time.

I notice that you don't mention that Mathis KO'd 6'9" 244lbs James Beattie,who was 30-4.I notice you don't mention that Mathis KO'd UNDEFEATED 6'4" 260lbs Humphrey McBride who was 25-0.

I told you Mathis was never the same AFTER he got brutally KO'd by Joe Frazier.So there you go looking for fights after he fought Frazier.Lol...You are the boxrec warrior.I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing since i was a little kid,where you have to go to boxrec to get your information.

Keep on posting.Please keep posting.We all get a laugh out of it.Keep showing how ****** you are.Lol

You sound like a body builder,Lol...Look at Wlad's arms.Look at the size etc. etc. You act like this is a body builder's competition,Lol God help this man.He really doesn't know how ****** he sounds.Ok,lets compare there chests,arms,legs etc. etc. Lol,Lol Please keep posting TheMagicMan,please!!

[StarshipTrooper]

You show how ****** you are with every post.Buster Mathis had to come down from 300lbs to fight you idiot.Look at his amateur career first you moron.You do know he was going to represent the United States in the olympics? But he got hurt.The guy he beat to go to the olympics(Joe Frazier) won a Gold medal!! Mathis would have won that Gold medal if he didn't get hurt.Go find that one in boxrec,Lol When Mathis turned pro he had to DROP WEIGHT to get down to 250lbs.Didn't know that did you? You see,i was following boxing and Ali,Frazier,and Mathis at this time.

I notice that you don't mention that Mathis KO'd 6'9" 244lbs James Beattie,who was 30-4.I notice you don't mention that Mathis KO'd UNDEFEATED 6'4" 260lbs Humphrey McBride who was 25-0.

I told you Mathis was never the same AFTER he got brutally KO'd by Joe Frazier.So there you go looking for fights after he fought Frazier.Lol...You are the boxrec warrior.I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing since i was a little kid,where you have to go to boxrec to get your information.

Keep on posting.Please keep posting.We all get a laugh out of it.Keep showing how ****** you are.Lol

You sound like a body builder,Lol...Look at Wlad's arms.Look at the size etc. etc. You act like this is a body builder's competition,Lol God help this man.He really doesn't know how ****** he sounds.Ok,lets compare there chests,arms,legs etc. etc. Lol,Lol Please keep posting TheMagicMan,please!!

Don't you just love these Ivan "I Mush Bweak You Weak Amerikans" Drago wannabes? :rofl9:

Poet

[Wlad Klitschko]

You show how ****** you are with every post.Buster Mathis had to come down from 300lbs to fight you idiot.Look at his amateur career first you moron.You do know he was going to represent the United States in the olympics? But he got hurt.The guy he beat to go to the olympics(Joe Frazier) won a Gold medal!! Mathis would have won that Gold medal if he didn't get hurt.Go find that one in boxrec,Lol When Mathis turned pro he had to DROP WEIGHT to get down to 250lbs.Didn't know that did you? You see,i was following boxing and Ali,Frazier,and Mathis at this time.

I notice that you don't mention that Mathis KO'd 6'9" 244lbs James Beattie,who was 30-4.I notice you don't mention that Mathis KO'd UNDEFEATED 6'4" 260lbs Humphrey McBride who was 25-0.

I told you Mathis was never the same AFTER he got brutally KO'd by Joe Frazier.So there you go looking for fights after he fought Frazier.Lol...You are the boxrec warrior.I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing since i was a little kid,where you have to go to boxrec to get your information.

Keep on posting.Please keep posting.We all get a laugh out of it.Keep showing how ****** you are.Lol

You sound like a body builder,Lol...Look at Wlad's arms.Look at the size etc. etc. You act like this is a body builder's competition,Lol God help this man.He really doesn't know how ****** he sounds.Ok,lets compare there chests,arms,legs etc. etc. Lol,Lol Please keep posting TheMagicMan,please!!

I didnt read your post cause youre a boxrec warrior. you failed to explain ever how Mathis had conditioning. What does Mathis beating other fat guys have to do with his conditioning? How many rounds are amateur fights? Uhh...the guy was doing fine against Frazier till he gassed. Again, you try to change the subject, but prior to frazier his only match to go past 7 ended in a SD, that most people felt he robbed a guy who ended his career with a losing record.

So keep fighting the surreal fight. You know those arguments that make no sense. Yeah Mathis came down from a mythical 300, but he got down over 20 lbs lighter after Frazier. He was fat and out of shape, wound up fighting in the same division Butterbean came to dominate...He actually got in better shape after Frazier but coudlnt stop eating. Dude loved to eat. If Wlad got down to 220 he'd lose a ton of muscle. Thats the difference dude. Wlad's 250, is an in shape 250. Hence why Wlad is different that Arreola. Buster Mathis=Chris Arreola. 6'3 fat guys. Big deal. Only difference is Arreola is better conditioned.

You refuse to talk abou the fact that his only match past 7 rounds ended in an SD with a guy who went 31-32 for his career. And it took Frazier 11 rounds to KO Mathis and people had it close up until the last few rounds.

[Wlad Klitschko]

You show how ****** you are with every post.Buster Mathis had to come down from 300lbs to fight you idiot.Look at his amateur career first you moron.You do know he was going to represent the United States in the olympics? But he got hurt.The guy he beat to go to the olympics(Joe Frazier) won a Gold medal!! Mathis would have won that Gold medal if he didn't get hurt.Go find that one in boxrec,Lol When Mathis turned pro he had to DROP WEIGHT to get down to 250lbs.Didn't know that did you? You see,i was following boxing and Ali,Frazier,and Mathis at this time.

I notice that you don't mention that Mathis KO'd 6'9" 244lbs James Beattie,who was 30-4.I notice you don't mention that Mathis KO'd UNDEFEATED 6'4" 260lbs Humphrey McBride who was 25-0.

I told you Mathis was never the same AFTER he got brutally KO'd by Joe Frazier.So there you go looking for fights after he fought Frazier.Lol...You are the boxrec warrior.I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing since i was a little kid,where you have to go to boxrec to get your information.

Keep on posting.Please keep posting.We all get a laugh out of it.Keep showing how ****** you are.Lol

You sound like a body builder,Lol...Look at Wlad's arms.Look at the size etc. etc. You act like this is a body builder's competition,Lol God help this man.He really doesn't know how ****** he sounds.Ok,lets compare there chests,arms,legs etc. etc. Lol,Lol Please keep posting TheMagicMan,please!!

Here let me break down the argument so you can see how surreal your post is:

You: Buster Mathis was big and Frazier beat him so he'd kill Wlad
Wlad: Buster Mathis was fat, its shown by the fact he had rolls, he lost over 20 lbs after the frazier fight in his battle to try to get in shape, he had small arms and legs, and he is a bad example as he barely used his jab and was only 6'3. Also Frazier won because Mathis gassed, not because of some brutal early spark or mid fight hit, but rather it was a close fight until Mathis went further in a fight than he had ever gone, and only once had he gotten to 10 rounds and that was a terrible performance where he was gassing and barely won.
You: But he beat tons of big guys. And youre a body builder cause you think arms and leg strength matters.
Me: Beating other fat guys doesnt mean anything. Also muscle mass matters, excess fat doesnt matter. Im sure youll try to change the discussion again.

[NChristo]

Ali was never a guy you would back in a street fight, Frazier or Marciano would be fun though
As for kick boxing fists have less distance to travel than legs so ignoring films kick boxing isn't going to prove any advantage in a street fight.
Why the hell are you still talking to this idiot?

Yeah I know, just he said Ali would whoop Wlad in a street fight and then "Wlad" said that Vitali would whoop Ali, it didn't make any sense bringing in another person to try and defend his claim.

I already stopped talking to him.

[JAB5239]

You show how ****** you are with every post.Buster Mathis had to come down from 300lbs to fight you idiot.Look at his amateur career first you moron.You do know he was going to represent the United States in the olympics? But he got hurt.The guy he beat to go to the olympics(Joe Frazier) won a Gold medal!! Mathis would have won that Gold medal if he didn't get hurt.Go find that one in boxrec,Lol When Mathis turned pro he had to DROP WEIGHT to get down to 250lbs.Didn't know that did you? You see,i was following boxing and Ali,Frazier,and Mathis at this time.

I notice that you don't mention that Mathis KO'd 6'9" 244lbs James Beattie,who was 30-4.I notice you don't mention that Mathis KO'd UNDEFEATED 6'4" 260lbs Humphrey McBride who was 25-0.

I told you Mathis was never the same AFTER he got brutally KO'd by Joe Frazier.So there you go looking for fights after he fought Frazier.Lol...You are the boxrec warrior.I'm 53 years old and have been following boxing since i was a little kid,where you have to go to boxrec to get your information.

Keep on posting.Please keep posting.We all get a laugh out of it.Keep showing how ****** you are.Lol

You sound like a body builder,Lol...Look at Wlad's arms.Look at the size etc. etc. You act like this is a body builder's competition,Lol God help this man.He really doesn't know how ****** he sounds.Ok,lets compare there chests,arms,legs etc. etc. Lol,Lol Please keep posting TheMagicMan,please!!

Complete and utter ownage!!!

[Wlad Klitschko]

Yeah I know, just he said Ali would whoop Wlad in a street fight and then "Wlad" said that Vitali would whoop Ali, it didn't make any sense bringing in another person to try and defend his claim.

I already stopped talking to him.

Again, let me break it down for you so you can understand.

Why debate whether Kobe is better than Lebron if someone thinks Lebron is better than Jordan?

Why debate whether 2 is larger than 1 if someone thinks 1 is larger than 3

The whole point of bringing up Vitali was to see if we could actually have a debate. Vitali is bigger, stronger, with more knowledge of actual fighting, military level training in hand to hand combat etc...So if he thought that Ali would beat Vitali in a street fight id know he was just clowning around. Notice how he hasnt answered?

[GJC]

OK boxrec warrior. Buster Mathis dropped down to 220 the same year he fought Frazier. Why? Because he was fat at 240+. He had never gone past 10 rounds before and Frazier outlasted him. Mathis's only other match past 7 rounds was a SD win that many said he lost to Bob Stallings, a 200 pounder whose career record was 31-32. Nice try.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRtG6fSpy9w

This is Mathis at 230. Notice how his arms are 1/4th the size of either Wlad or Vitali. Notice how much smaller his legs are. Notice that even at 230 there are rolls above his trunks. Notice his inability to use a jab. Nothing like Wlad and nothin like Vitali.

Keep trying, Im sure a few more trips to boxrec and youll gain some knowledge.

Wow the English is coming on leaps and bounds now!

[Wlad Klitschko]

Complete and utter ownage!!!

you are illiterate. Hey, maybe you can answer me, what match did Mathis have go past 7 rounds? How many rounds in his career did he win past the 7th? Ill await your ducking of the question. Hey lets just make it a new topic and see if you can answer it.