Lennox Lewis A Top 10 ATG Heavyweight...Really?

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  • turdleburgle
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    #51
    Originally posted by frankenfrank
    A quote from "Undisputed" : "some hos like it rough" .




    I dont know what "undisputed" is but rapists get no sympathy from me.



    The fact that anyone would defend this sick **** is digusting.

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    • frankenfrank
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      #52
      Originally posted by elfag
      I think he more than makes the top ten. He fought most of everyone out there. I would have liked to see him have fought wlad and some of the other belt holders in the 2000s but DK had his men on lock down from Lennox for good reason.
      Exactly , most of everyone out there but :
      (1) Why did he waited so much time before he fought Tyson and Holyfield ?
      (2) Why did not he give enough time to McCall to rehab / recuperate from his
      drug addiction ? or rematched him earlier ?
      (3) Why did not he fight Byrd , Moorer and Ruiz but chose to fight Botha ,
      Mavrovic , Justin Fortune and Phil Jackson instead ? some may also ask
      about Lionel Butler. Note that I was aware not to credit the padding in
      his early fights , because this is the usual case (except from Oleg
      Maskaev).

      Originally posted by elfag
      When he lost he rematched them and KTFO, I think that is good, it shows the heart of a champion to want to avenge defeat.
      Originally posted by frankenfrank
      Lewis was not even close to KO McCall , even when McCall stopped defending himself because of a mental breakdown which was caused by rehabilitation difficulties which without Lewis' team knowing about them , Lewis would have avoided a 2nd fight with McCall forever.




      But after and despite all of these , I still rank him in my top 10 , and feel secure about this ranking. Who does have a better quality of opposition among the HW "greats" ?

      No one else in HW history , except of Hassim Rahman and Ross Puritty comes close to Lewis in terms of quality of opposition , but Rahman lost and drew more than Lewis did , didn't he ?
      Puritty lost lots of decisions in short fights , he did not even get the opportunity to stop his opponents late like he did against Wladimir Klitschko because of it.

      But they are not considered "greats" .
      Lewis' opposition > Ali's opposition.
      And I do know how Ali "beat" George Foreman , what a feeling it is 2b d1 who knows the truth everyone else treats like a ghost's revelation.

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      • Anthony342
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        #53
        Originally posted by NChristo
        Did you even watch the Bowe - Lewis fight ?, the referee ****ed Bowe over big time giving him random warnings all through out the fight, Bowe rocked Lewis more in the first round then the supposed knockout punches that Lewis gave Bowe in the second. Bowe was ready to continue and was fine, completely biased ref.

        People always say that Lewis beat him without actually watching the fight, even the commentators were saying it was an early stoppage.

        This is the same Olympics were Roy Jones got done over by the judges, just thought I'd mention that.

        Bowe matured a lot faster and better as a pro then Lewis especially with Futch in his corner, no doubt in my mind that Bowe would of beat him in 92/93' when they should of fought.
        Then why didn't Bowe want to fight him? Why go on TV and throw the WBC belt in the garbage? Lewis was the mandatory challenger and Bowe didn't fight him, so he was stripped of the belt.

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        • NChristo
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          #54
          Originally posted by Anthony342
          Then why didn't Bowe want to fight him? Why go on TV and throw the WBC belt in the garbage? Lewis was the mandatory challenger and Bowe didn't fight him, so he was stripped of the belt.
          No idea, wish I knew.

          Would of loved too see the fight or even for the Olympics too continue, was a great fight until that stoppage.

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          • sonnyboyx2
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            #55
            Originally posted by GJC
            Bonecrusher, Witherspoon, Cooney and Berbick would have success though i'd favour Tua and McCall but Cobb, Bey and the rest, c'mon! : )
            I rate Holmes above Lewis head to head or any other measure but I can't think beyond Witherspoon or the Norton (that Holmes fought) of any of Holmes opponents that Lewis wouldn't beat.
            You have Lewis at 14(?) if memory serves I have him at around 12 so no major argument with your 14 ranking, but to say he would struggle with the likes of Bey or Cobb is you going back to Brian London/David Tua territory again.
            i stick by London v Tua.. Tua just climbed off the floor to get a draw with old monte Barrett...London wouda slaughtered him, the problem with London is that the vast majority have never seen any footage of him...so they go to boxrec and make their assumptions up.

            The same goes for this argument.. GJC have you seen much footage of David Bey? Bonecrusher Smith or Carl Williams?.. obviously not

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            • Toney616
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              #56
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              Physical prime is 18-32 for all humans. I dont care what you think a fighters prime is,
              This just shows your lack of honesty and boxing knowledge.
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              Nature says a 31 year old Vitali should have a significant youth advantage over A 37 year old Lennox. That 6 year gap is a lot wider than say a: 21 year old and a 27 year old...
              That advantage would of been in terms of stamina, on the flip side Lewis would of had more experience and technical ability. Which is why older fighters can beat younger fighters off the top of my head:
              McCallum-Collins, McCallum-Harding, Toney-Jirov,Hopkins-Pavlik, Holmes-Mercer etc etc
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              LL was past it and a rematch would be pointless.
              Irrelevant, he still wanted to keep fighting and chose not to because he would of had to face Vitali again
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              Tyson is damned idiot either way. If he is that ******ed to put himself in a situation like that, he deserves to be in prison.
              He deserved to get sentence to 6 years in prison because he slept with a groupie?
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              He admitted to punching/robbing old ladies in the past, so either way, he belonged there.
              Which is why he went to Tryon detention centre as a kid i.e he served his time for those crimes already
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              Holmes/Berbick had considerable youth advantages over Ali, so those werent great wins.
              It has nothing to do with age, rather the amount of wear and tear Ali had endured during his fighting career
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz
              Lennox/Tyson: same age, both been ko'd twice, fair game.

              Zags and Roy were both over 35, only 3 years apart, fair game.
              Why dont you make a thread with a poll and see how many people online agree with this?

              When Jones was at the top of his game, this is what Calzaghe said:
              "I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it."
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              When Jones was clearly on the slide this is what calzaghe said:
              I preferred the Pavlik fight as Jones although a former P4P number one, he is way past his best, a fact widely accepted in boxing. I also think he is tarnished after failing a drugs test earlier in his career. In the 2008 latest edition of his autobiography, Joe states that Jones is "washed up" and in an interview in Boxing Monthly said he said he had "no interest" in fighting Jones, who he describes as "not a great fighter anymore" observing that "Roy's resistance is gone''
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              Last edited by Toney616; 08-09-2010, 07:41 AM.

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              • Joeyzagz
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                #57
                Originally posted by -IronMike-
                This just shows your lack of honesty and boxing knowledge.

                That advantage would of been in terms of stamina, on the flip side Lewis would of had more experience and technical ability. Which is why older fighters can beat younger fighters
                Vitali was at his absolute best when he was 31 years old and had 33 fights. He was much more experienced than the guy who quit against Byrd, and he was a lot faster/stronger than the person who struggled with #20 Sosnoski a few months ago.

                He had every advantage imaginable and still lost; fighting an even older and slower Lennox would prove nothing.
                Originally posted by -IronMike-
                That advantage would of been in terms of stamina, on the flip side Lewis would of had more experience and technical ability. Which is why older fighters can beat younger fighters
                I don't mind spelling errors and bad grammar, but saying "would of" instead of "would've" is just wrong. Stop using prepositions after verbs.

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                • turdleburgle
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
                  i stick by London v Tua.. Tua just climbed off the floor to get a draw with old monte Barrett...London wouda slaughtered him, the problem with London is that the vast majority have never seen any footage of him...so they go to boxrec and make their assumptions up.

                  The same goes for this argument.. GJC have you seen much footage of David Bey? Bonecrusher Smith or Carl Williams?.. obviously not



                  you are kidding? oh wait no your not lol.you really believe that tripe.

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                  • sonnyboyx2
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                    #59
                    http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/04/sp...l?pagewanted=1

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                    • sonnyboyx2
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