Lennox Lewis A Top 10 ATG Heavyweight...Really?

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  • -CANE-
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    #71
    Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
    i aint no boxing historian, i am just a guy who has followed the sport since i was a boy.

    No Bowe never dumped his belt in the bin to avoid Lewis, he dumped it in the bin to say to the WBC "up you".. here is a link for you:



    Lewis never destroyed Bowe in the Olympics like you claim, Bowe was "Robbed" in the Olympics by a corrupt referee who gave Bowe 14 warnings in the opening round..Bowe was destroying Lewis in that final... again here is a link for you.



    your correct in that Bowe and Golota had 2 brutal wars with Bowe winning both and neither fighter being the same after those wars... Mike Tyson destroyed Golota smashing his jaw in the opening round, Golota was also destroyed in the opening round by Lamon Brewster & Ray Austin... Yet when Golota fought Lewis he took a panic-attack in his dressing room and was tranquilized by doctors so was in no state to fight...

    You ask do i put Tyson ahead of Lewis... of course i do, Lewis was nothing more than a first round KO for Tyson between 86-96

    You're right Bowe was just saying "Fuck You" to the WBC.

    Why should the best fighter on the planet risk his titles against someone who has already beaten him when he can defend his titles and get so much credibility against the likes of Dokes, Ferguson and Holyfield who he had already beaten.

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    • sonnyboyx2
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      #72
      Originally posted by -CANE-
      You're right Bowe was just saying "Fuck You" to the WBC.

      Why should the best fighter on the planet risk his titles against someone who has already beaten him when he can defend his titles and get so much credibility against the likes of Dokes, Ferguson and Holyfield who he had already beaten.
      yeah but Lewis had never beaten Bowe... watch the link

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        #73
        Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
        yeah but Lewis had never beaten Bowe... watch the link

        He did beat him and just accept it. Whether it was controversial or not is neither here or there. It was the amatuers and irrelevant in the larger scheme of things.

        You see I can slag off Lewis and find faults in him even though he is one of my favourite fighters. We can argue all day about who ducked who and get nowhere. All we can do is judge on what they did achieve and how they did it, and no matter what you come up with, it's fact that Lewis achieved more than Tyson and Bowe ever did.

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        • Axl Rose
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          #74
          The thing about Lennox Lewis is that he really was a great boxer. Strong amateur career and off course a great career as a pros.

          But Lewis during hes career faught most of hes opponents when they were over the hill. And that is a fact. Tyson, Holyfield, Bruno, Tucker, Tyrell Biggs. When he faced people who was in their prime he got problems.

          Ray Mercer clearly outjabbed him beck in 96, and he won the fight by one point. That was a controversial decision.

          Holyfield was old, but he had also been thorugh alot of hard fights since the late 80s. Hes fights with Stewart, Cooper, Holmes, the three fights with Bowe, Michael Moorer and Tyson was hard brawls.

          Tucker had been off for years struggling with ******* addiction. Did a comebeck went the distance. Lewis knocked him down twice, but after that fight he did get knocked out by Seldon and Herbie Hide.

          Bruno had also had a lay off and was late in hes career, when he outjabbed and was having control over Lewis for 7 rounds, before Lewis hit him with a big left hook and KO him.

          Biggs had aslo stuggled with druggs and booze for years and been knocked out big time by Bowe and Tyson when he faced Lennox.

          When he faced MCcall in 94, McCall was in hes prime and had Emanuel stewart as a trainer. McCall knocked him out in 2 rounds. In the rematch he was having emotional troubles and off course the ******* addiction.

          Klitschko was ahead on points on every card when the cut in hes face stopped the fight.

          Agains Tua he outboxed him, but he didnt manage to hurt him at all.


          Lewis is good, but not the greatest by fare,.

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            #75
            Originally posted by -CANE-
            He did beat him and just accept it. Whether it was controversial or not is neither here or there. It was the amatuers and irrelevant in the larger scheme of things.

            You see I can slag off Lewis and find faults in him even though he is one of my favourite fighters. We can argue all day about who ducked who and get nowhere. All we can do is judge on what they did achieve and how they did it, and no matter what you come up with, it's fact that Lewis achieved more than Tyson and Bowe ever did.
            What did Lewis achieve that was greater than what Tyson achieved?

            Tyson was the Youngest undisputed champion in history defending his undisputed title 7 times.

            Lewis won the undisputed title by very dubious decision from Evander Holyfield with 42 of 49 ringside reporters having Holyfield the clear winner... Lewis NEVER ever defended that undisputed title as he was "Stripped" of each belt for refusing to face the No1 contenders... in fact Lewis whole career is fraudulent with Lewis picking a belt out of the garbage can and losing it to a journeyman, winning a 2nd Paper Title against a guy straight out of a Drug-rehab, winning a disputed decision for the undisputed title and having every belt stripped from him for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.

            So you are wrong to claim Lewis achieved more than Mike Tyson... Tyson is a legend in the sport, Lewis career left alot to be desired and is not on the same level as Tysons

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            • Joeyzagz
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              #76
              Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
              so you are claiming that you are correct & Rid**** Bowe in that interview is telling lies?

              who is telling lies - you or Bowe?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo
              Dont believe me, Believe the Bowe of 93' who still had a functioning brain, and not the vegetable trying to save face on youtube.

              Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
              What did Lewis achieve that was greater than what Tyson achieved?
              Lennox defeated all of his top contemporaries: Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko, Tua, Bowe, avenged all of his losses(rahman, Mcall), and retired as wbc Heavyweight champion of the world.

              Tyson ruled when the division was run by geezers and blown up LHW's but ran to hide in jail when the big dogs arrived in the early 90's. Tyson wanted no part of George Foreman, no part of Bowe or Lennox, and he lost to Holyfield despite Holy being 4 years older and coming off a trilogy of wars.

              Tyson will be known for beating scrubs like Marvis Frazier and Henry Tillman. That is his legacy. A lhw who was the slowest and fattest of his career, and beating a guy he had an EIGHT-TEEN year youth advantage over.

              Lennox destroyed the 1 year younger Tyson Head 2 Head, and gave him the worst beating of his natural life.
              Last edited by Joeyzagz; 08-11-2010, 10:08 AM.

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                #77
                Prime for prime Lewis loses to Bowe, Holyfield and Tyson.

                A good fighter but his robotic style isnt good enough to make the top ten.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by JoeyZagz
                  Dont believe me, Believe the Bowe of 93' who still had a functioning brain, and not the vegetable trying to save face on youtube.



                  Lennox defeated all of his top contemporaries: Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko, Tua, Bowe, avenged all of his losses(rahman, Mcall), and retired as wbc Heavyweight champion of the world.

                  Tyson ruled when the division was run by geezers and blown up LHW's but ran to hide in jail when the big dogs arrived in the early 90's. Tyson wanted no part of George Foreman, no part of Bowe or Lennox, and he lost to Holyfield despite Holy being 4 years older and coming off a trilogy of wars.

                  Tyson will be known for beating scrubs like Marvis Frazier and Henry Tillman. That is his legacy. A lhw who was the slowest and fattest of his career, and beating a guy he had an EIGHT-TEEN year youth advantage over.

                  Lennox destroyed the 1 year younger Tyson Head 2 Head, and gave him the worst beating of his natural life.
                  nuthugger who is completely deluded.. everything you claim in your post is made-up rubbish...

                  a question for you, "which fighters did Lewis beat who was at the top of their game?

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                  • NChristo
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by JoeyZagz


                    Lennox defeated all of his top contemporaries: Tyson, Holyfield, Klitschko, Tua, Bowe, avenged all of his losses(rahman, Mcall), and retired as wbc Heavyweight champion of the world.
                    How are you counting Bowe as a win for Lewis ?, either you've never seen the Olympics fight where Bowe was basically robbed of a fair ref or you think if someone ducks Lewis, Lewis wins ?

                    Bowe rocked Lewis more in the 1st round of the fight then the supposed knock out punches that Lewis gave Bowe in the 2nd, Bowe was clearly ready to continue and wtf was with all the random warnings ?, wish people would actually watch the fight instead of just saying Lewis won.

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                    • Toney616
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by JoeyZagz
                      He retired because he had accomplished everything he set out to do, and he realized he wasn't getting any younger.

                      The only reason a boxer fights past his prime is because

                      A: They were ****** with their money(Cars, drugs illegitimate children)

                      B: They suffered a miss-step early in their career and are righting wrongs of the past (Foreman, Hopkins)


                      C: They love the fame/attention (my addition)

                      Lennox did not have this problem so he could go in peace.
                      Valid points
                      Originally posted by JoeyZagz

                      If he beat Vitali, hed have to face Wladimir next, and if he beat Wladimir hed be accused of picking on Sanders and Brewsters leftovers....Then some mediocre guy like Peter would come along and knock A 40 y/o lennox out giving him parkinsons.
                      True, I can imagine that scenario happening
                      Originally posted by JoeyZagz

                      Win/lose/or draw I dont see Lennox improving his stance on the all-time list by continuing. In 2004 He had a win over every single one of his top peers and avenged all of his losses. He had little to gain and everything to lose by fighting on(Legacy/physical health).

                      Marciano retired too early, Ali retired too late, Lennox is one of the few who left on top, at the right time.
                      He left with his health intact and money in the bank, good for him
                      Last edited by Toney616; 08-11-2010, 03:11 PM.

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