My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

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  • The Iron Man
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    #571
    Hawkins - As for Ali tyson, i agree that ali would have the toughest fought of his career. and its probably the hardest fight to call on the top 10 list. I mean Tyson would definatley catch Ali more than any other fighter he came up against. He is much faster than fraizer and if he caught ali i believe tyson definatley was. I see Either a SD for Ali or UD. or a TKO or KO For tyson most likley TKO.
    Galvestone - My other list which is based on my thoughts and opinion has evander at the bottom half of the list. But this was done in a spreadsheet manner (i can send it to u if u want) and holyfield scored quite highly!

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    • Hawkins
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      #572
      Originally posted by them_apples
      I can see Ali getting a decision possibly, but there is the chance that he could also get knocked out via the same way Holmes was, only maybe round 5.

      Ali's chin was questionable during his younger years so if he got clocked by one of Tyson's hooks it could be game over. Only speculating though.

      Also, If Ali wins, it's a clear UD/decision I don't think Ali has the power to knock out Tyson, Tyson avoids to many shots -- unlike Liston (who ate them all) and Tyson wouldn't tire like Foreman.

      I'm not trying to make you mad by acting like a "nuthugger" but Tyson was in incredible fighting condition during the 80's and could pose a huge threat to any great of any time.


      Well I think Ali very deceptive power. For a dude not to have any power he had alot of knockouts, however I think if Evander could knock out Tyson I think Ali could as well. Plus I think Tyson would suffer the same fate Liston and Foreman did, Ali's mind games would break his will and he would show the traits he did in some of his later fights and thats to give up.

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      • them_apples
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        #573
        Well I think Ali very deceptive power. For a dude not to have any power he had alot of knockouts, however I think if Evander could knock out Tyson I think Ali could as well. Plus I think Tyson would suffer the same fate Liston and Foreman did, Ali's mind games would break his will and he would show the traits he did in some of his later fights and thats to give up.
        possibly, but I still give a young Tyson a better chance than Foreman or Liston.
        While both Liston and Foreman had considerable power, they both lacked speed. Speed is often considered a fighter's best attribute.

        Ali's mind games would make Tyson nervous before the fight, and angry once he was in the ring. Ether side getting a knockout is pretty hard to see, given they are both in there primes.

        The thing is, I don't consider Ali having a granite chin when he fought Liston, Liston (60's) was just to slow to hit Ali. The later and greater (imo) Ali was slower but had much more durability.

        I would leave it at the hardest fight of his life however, due to the fact that Ali couldn't pick any glaring weaknesses out of Tyson, aside from the mental aspect -- which I think Tyson could have handled if the fight would have happened around 87-89, due to the amount of wins he was racking up.
        Last edited by them_apples; 11-16-2007, 12:31 AM.

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        • Jim Jeffries
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          #574
          Originally posted by them_apples
          possibly, but I still give a young Tyson a better chance than Foreman or Liston.
          While both Liston and Foreman had considerable power, they both lacked speed. Speed is often considered a fighter's best attribute.

          Ali's mind games would make Tyson nervous before the fight, and angry once he was in the ring. Ether side getting a knockout is pretty hard to see, given they are both in there primes.

          The thing is, I don't consider Ali having a granite chin when he fought Liston, Liston (60's) was just to slow to hit Ali. The later and greater (imo) Ali was slower but had much more durability.

          I would leave it at the hardest fight of his life however, due to the fact that Ali couldn't pick any glaring weaknesses out of Tyson, aside from the mental aspect -- which I think Tyson could have handled if the fight would have happened around 87-85, due to the amount of wins he was racking up.
          The Ali that fought Liston dances circles around Tyson, makes Tyson throw BOTH arms out of their sockets and makes him quit on his stool.

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          • Hawkins
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            #575
            Originally posted by them_apples
            possibly, but I still give a young Tyson a better chance than Foreman or Liston.
            While both Liston and Foreman had considerable power, they both lacked speed. Speed is often considered a fighter's best attribute.
            I agree. I think a prime Tyson is a better fighter than Foreman and Liston just for the sheer speed and ferocity he brought to the table. I think Liston was a better boxer, however Tyson gets the edge on both.

            Originally posted by them_apples
            Ali's mind games would make Tyson nervous before the fight, and angry once he was in the ring. Ether side getting a knockout is pretty hard to see, given they are both in there primes.
            I don't think anyone would have tested Tyson's will like Ali. Ali was the master of head games. And would use Tyson's anger against him by making him venture from his gameplan.

            Originally posted by them_apples
            The thing is, I don't consider Ali having a granite chin when he fought Liston, Liston (60's) was just to slow to hit Ali. The later and greater (imo) Ali was slower but had much more durability.

            I would leave it at the hardest fight of his life however, due to the fact that Ali couldn't pick any glaring weaknesses out of Tyson, aside from the mental aspect -- which I think Tyson could have handled if the fight would have happened around 87-85, due to the amount of wins he was racking up.

            I think Tyson's one glaring weakness in the ring was fighting going backward. Granted we didn't see that much in '86-'89 but Ali wouldn't be able to take advantage of that. I think Ali's biggest weakness in his prime years before exile was overconfidence. However, I'm not sure we'd see that Ali with as dangerous a foe as Tyson.

            One thing is for sure it would be one for the ages.

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            • ROSS CALIFORNIA
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              #576
              Originally posted by Hawkins
              I don't think anyone would have tested Tyson's will like Ali. Ali was the master of head games. And would use Tyson's anger against him by making him venture from his gameplan.
              I think Tysons gameplan to kill Ali wouldn't be effected in this case.LOL

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              • Hawkins
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                #577
                Originally posted by RossCA
                I think Tysons gameplan to kill Ali wouldn't be effected in this case.LOL
                I think Ali beats him 9/10 times.

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                • ROSS CALIFORNIA
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                  #578
                  Originally posted by Hawkins
                  I think Ali beats him 9/10 times.
                  I say 7/10

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                    #579
                    Originally posted by Hawkins
                    I agree. I think a prime Tyson is a better fighter than Foreman and Liston just for the sheer speed and ferocity he brought to the table.


                    Hawk and I agree on something!!

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                    • ROSS CALIFORNIA
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                      #580
                      Originally posted by Mike Tyson77
                      Hawk and I agree on something!!
                      Yeah, he finally said something that makes sense. LOL J/K

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