SBleeder's 100 All-time P4P List

[CarlosG815]

Explain. Tell me which ones are in the wrong spots.

Sergio Martinez?

And the biggest joke of all, Lennox Lewis at 71 ahead of Spinks, Benitez, Holyfield?

[frankenfrank]

To recap my 51-100:

51. Jose Napoles
52. Maxie Rosenbloom
53. Stanley Ketchel
54. Jimmy Bivins
55. Carmen Basilio
56. Joe Frazier
57. Chris John
58. Fidel LaBarba
59. Salvador Sanchez
60. Jack Johnson
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jersey Joe Walcott
63. Bernard Hopkins
64. Azumah Nelson
65. Marcel Cedran
66. Jung-Koo Chang
67. Carlos Ortiz
68. Kid Lewis
69. Aaron Pryor
70. Fighting Harada
71. Lennox Lewis
72. Michael Spinks
73. Felix Trinidad
74. Khaosai Galaxy
75. Gene Fullmer
76. Wilfredo Benitez
77. Pancho Villa
78. Jake LaMotta
79. Evander Holyfield
80. Ruben Olivares
81. Harry Wills
82. Terry McGovern
83. Tommy Burns
84. Mike Tyson
85. Billy Conn
86. Nigel Benn
87. Pascual Perez
88. Sergio Martinez
89. Eusebio Pedroza
90. Antonio Cervantes
91. Marco Antonio Barrera
92. Michael Carbajal
93. Steve “Celtic Warrior” Collins
94. Mike McCallum
95. “Barbados Demon” Joe Walcott
96. Ricky Hatton
97. Bobo Olson
98. Diego Corrales
99. Oscar De la Hoya
100. Manuel Ortiz


Top 50 to come tomorrow.

(1) Oscar Delahoya must be higher , the man held titles in 6 weight divisions , how many more examples for this do you have ? Felix Trinidad was a cheater , held titles in only 3 divisions , never really beat Delahoya , and yet you put him higher , Oscar must be ahead of Tito and Corrales for sure .
(2) Tyson is too low in your list , couldn't find him a place at least in your top 30 ? the man was beating larger man on a regular basis .
(3) Benn ahead of Collins ? Collins stopped him twice , Benn was also stopped by Watson whom was stopped by Eubanks and by Eubanks himself. Collins lasted the distance twice against Eubanks the records even say he outpointed him twice. Collins and Benn are the same age and Collins is older than Eubanks , he must be ahead of Benn.
(4) I also believe Hopkins is too high , he is and was a mere foulist , never really obeyed the rules of boxing , and he beat either smaller men or a drained Tarver , this is all he ever done .

[Toney616]

(3) Benn ahead of Collins ? Collins stopped him twice , Benn was also stopped by Watson whom was stopped by Eubanks and by Eubanks himself. Collins lasted the distance twice against Eubanks the records even say he outpointed him twice. Collins and Benn are the same age and Collins is older than Eubanks , he must be ahead of Benn.

Benn was practically a shot fighter after the McClellan fight, a fight in which he sustained a shadow on his brain. The shadow would further deteriote (due to Benn continuing to fight) into a brain legion by the time of the Collins fights. Which is the reason why Collins shouldn't get that much credit for beating him twice.

As for Collins stopping Benn twice, both were by tko. The first fight ended because Benn sustained a ankle injury and couldn't fight, which is why a rematch was made. In that fight his team pulled him out because they felt he was no longer the fighter he used to be.

Eubank was past prime at that point, but they are both still good wins for Collins

The highlighted part I'm going to ignore

[Real King Kong]

This list was the product of hours of research and consideration as I was recuperating from back surgery. What follows is what I believe to be the top 100 pound-for-pound fighters of all time. It is, of course, my opinion only. At the very least, it should be a fun history thread for purposes of debate.

100. Manuel Ortiz


99. Oscar De La Hoya


98. Diego Corrales


97. Carl "Bobo" Olson

what might your criteria be? i haven't even made it past 95 yet and i already see corrales and hatton ahead of de la hoya.

[Real King Kong]

Sergio Martinez?

And the biggest joke of all, Lennox Lewis at 71 ahead of Spinks, Benitez, Holyfield?

don't really see a problem with ranking lewis ahead of benitez. if the end of benitez's career wasn't riddled with losses, some to non-descript opponents, it might be a different story.

[Toney616]

Explain. Tell me which ones are in the wrong spots.

What criteria are you using, to evaluate fighters?

[GameGod]

Of the 4 P4P lists that I've seen in the last week this is probably the best. I look forward to reading 1-50.

[frankenfrank]

what might your criteria be? i haven't even made it past 95 yet and i already see corrales and hatton ahead of de la hoya.

True , that's another knock , especially Diego MouthpieceSpitta HoBeata Corralles ahead of him , not that I agree Hatton should be higher than DLH.

[frankenfrank]

don't really see a problem with ranking lewis ahead of benitez. if the end of benitez's career wasn't riddled with losses, some to non-descript opponents, it might be a different story.

What criteria are you using, to evaluate fighters?

But hey , I bet yours would be worse.

[frankenfrank]

Benn was practically a shot fighter after the McClellan fight, a fight in which he sustained a shadow on his brain. The shadow would further deteriote (due to Benn continuing to fight) into a brain legion by the time of the Collins fights. Which is the reason why Collins shouldn't get that much credit for beating him twice.

As for Collins stopping Benn twice, both were by tko. The first fight ended because Benn sustained a ankle injury and couldn't fight, which is why a rematch was made. In that fight his team pulled him out because they felt he was no longer the fighter he used to be.

Eubank was past prime at that point, but they are both still good wins for Collins

The highlighted part I'm going to ignore

You can also ignore the fact Collins had brain damage too by that time , or do
you assume he had his brain damage after the Benn fights ?

And an ankle injury can be a result of a punch , you know ?

Both men , especially Eubanks were not more shot than Collins by the (respective) times they fought him. Remember Collins also fought Reggie Johnson , Mike McCallum and Sumbu Kalambay and Tony Thornton prior to facing them .