Poet's top 20 P4P

[BattlingNelson]

No they don't count.

Maxim got outboxed. FACT.

Heat stopped Robinson. FACT.

Ok.

Are there any other fights we should know about where it was the elements and not the opponent that caused an L on a fighters record IYO?

[Stone Roses!]

Ok.

Are there any other fights we should know about where it was the elements and not the opponent that caused an L on a fighters record IYO?

Yeah.

Pacquiao's socks ruined his footwork in Morales 1.

[BattlingNelson]

Yeah.

Pacquiao's socks ruined his footwork in Morales 1.

Who benefitted most from the heat in the thrilla in Manilla? The boxer or the flatfooted brawler?

[Stone Roses!]

Who benefitted most from the heat in the thrilla in Manilla? The boxer or the flatfooted brawler?

Neither. They were both a mess.

[GJC]

Louis and Ali proved no more P4P ability than Wlad did , and he is far from any
top 50 P4P list of mine also.

lets try my P4P list (first time I try a top 20 P4P , and I did not think a lot
about it as opposed to my SHW list , this one may probably need more corrections) :
1. Sam Langford
2. Mike Tyson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Walcott
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ray Leonard
7. Chris Byrd
8. Orlin Norris
9. Young Peter Jackson
10. James Toney

11. Ray Robinson
12. Charley Burley
13. Marlon Starling
14. Jose Luis Lopez
15. Ike Quartery
16. Manny Pacquiao
17. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Hector Camacho
20. Ezzard Charles

21. Archie Moore
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Jorge Fernando Castro
24. Simon Brown
25. David Tua
26. Doug Jones
27. Joe Frazier
28. Muhammad Qawi
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Michael Spinks


31. Juan Manuel Marquez
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Julio Cesar Chavez
34. Oscar Delahoya
35. Vinny Pazienza
36. Arnold Cream
37. Ronald Wright
38. Shane Mosley
39. Floyd Mayweather
40. Pernell Whitaker

41. Carmen Basilio
42. Vince Phillips
43. Meldrick Taylor
44. Miguel Cotto
45. Ricky Hatton
46. Kotsya Tszyu

Yes , I know there is a number of old timers I forgot to boxrec enough whom may deserve to be in the top 25 , they may be added in the future , as well as possible incorrectness in the internal ordering of this list.

Well all lists are personal and wow is that one personal
At least you remembered Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris, Marlon Starling and Hector Camacho in your top 20 so so many people forget to

[TBear]

The explanation is quite simple: As a rule I never put Heavyweights on p4p lists

Poet

Could I ask why?

[frankenfrank]

Maxim was the naturally bigger man his body was more capable of dealing with the searing heat. Not to mention he has a flat footed style which doesn't exert as much energy as Robinson's.

Correction in your choice of words also. It is not an excuse, but a reason. A legitimate one at that.

Your knowledge of Boxing is pitiful.

Being a bigger man does not help to cool faster , on the contrary .
He had the better pacing which won him the fight.
Your knowledge of both boxing and the laws of physics is poor.
Go post a censored version of this post in the NSB to get a reply from the experts there , or even better , post it the limey lounge to get the best outcum

It's not a legit excuse IMO. It can never be Maxims fault that Robinson paced himself poorly.

exactly. Robinson payed for his wrong pacing which was the cause for his lead on the scorecards , Foreman has a much better excuse for his "loss" against Ali : heat+purposefully loosened ropes.

[Stone Roses!]

Being a bigger man does not help to cool faster , on the contrary .
He had the better pacing which won him the fight.
Your knowledge of both boxing and the laws of physics is poor.
Go post a censored version of this post in the NSB to get a reply from the experts there , or even better , post it the limey lounge to get the best outcum

exactly. Robinson payed for his wrong pacing which was the cause for his lead on the scorecards , Foreman has a much better excuse for his "loss" against Ali : heat+purposefully loosened ropes.

What's the matter. A little hurt cause people laughed at your pathetic excuse of a list?

Being the naturally bigger man fighting in searing heat gives your body the advantage over the smaller man. Nor, did you mention anywhere in your previous post that Robinson didn't pace himself.

Foreman has a much better excuse for his "loss" against Ali : heat

So was it the heat or the fact Foreman didn't 'pace himself'? Idiot. You contradicted yourself in the same post.

Also Dundee has stated on several occassions that he attempted to shorten the ropes the day before the fight because the ropes were too long for the 'small' ring. No need to lie buddy.

[Heru]

is it poets personal Top 20 favorite fighters? or maybe his opinion of the Top 20 greatest fighters which he is entitled to his opinion of... all lists are that persons opinion and they should not be ridiculed if others do not agree with their choice... Poets list above is a very good list and plenty of thought has gone into it, if he leaves out certain fighters i am sure he has his own reasons why he left them out but it is his choice to do so.

I agree, they should not be ridiculed, but as soon as you make your list public it is subject to criticism (hopefully constructive). If you post a top ATG list, you should good reasoning on why you have a fighter where you do.

Having a top ATG list should not omit heavyweights though. There should be a separate ATG list per division and 1 that encompasses every division.

[frankenfrank]

What's the matter. A little hurt cause people laughed at your pathetic excuse of a list?

Being the naturally bigger man fighting in searing heat gives your body the advantage over the smaller man. Nor, did you mention anywhere in your previous post that Robinson didn't pace himself.



So was it the heat or the fact Foreman didn't 'pace himself'? Idiot. You contradicted yourself in the same post.

Also Dundee has stated on several occassions that he attempted to shorten the ropes the day before the fight because the ropes were too long for the 'small' ring. No need to lie buddy.

And the little **** keeps quoting partial sentences and replying to claims that were never raised ..
Go tell it to BB92 , I know you can't resist his [____] [____].