Poet's top 20 P4P

[Toney616]

Not much worse than I thought it would be :yep: .

lmao

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Ali , Foreman , Lewis , Holmes , Louis and the Klitschkos are not good examples for P4P fighters as they enjoyed size advantage over most of their opponents .
Hopkins is a great foulist , that's all , he won the 10 dirtiest fighters ever thread I made somewhere else .

You have Morrales twice (Eric and someone else ?) yet no Pacquiao , JMM and Barrerra ?
Langford too low .
Jones Jr. a ducker , PED user and a chinny fighter all in one but still a better choice than Hopkins , at least under the rules of boxing he is .

Patterson above Langford and Tyson ? boy o boy.

only 1st 5 are in order and ali,foreman,holmes are only around 6'3 which is not a big size advantage.and i dont have louis or lewis,or a klitscho on my list

hopkins isnt dirtier than holyfield and in hopkins biggest wins over tito,pavlik,tarver,de la hoya there was absolutely nothing dirty about his performances.matter of fact,the only really dirty fights hops has had were with echols,jones jr II,and calzhage some what

morrales has beat both barerra and paquiao in there primes and k.o'd jr jones,a guy who beat barrera.pacman will make my list once he retires

mike is 1 of my favorite fighters but he has the shortest prime in the history of boxing.he shouldnt be above 10 on any all time great list

i had morrales twice by mistake

im not a big langford fan but i respect him.i cant rank him above any modern heavy on my list cause he wouldnt stand a snowballs chance in hell of beating 1 of them

jones jr beat everybody there was to be except michelski who lost to a guy jones jr dominated.its usually a consensus that roy was untouchable at m.w

[r.burgundy]

By my logic , Corley would still not make the top 50.
Who are Bailey , Alexander , Witter and Maidana ? and I really not appreciate Judah that much.
Simon Brown KOd Terry Norris and Bobby Joe Young , stopped Maurice Blocker and Jorge Vaca , decisioned Luis Santana , not really "beat absolutely nobody" and in his prime he only lost a split decision to Marlon Starling , another fighter in my list.

Castro has 2 wins over John David Jackson , one of which by stoppage , and 2 disputable split decisions over Reggie Johnson which must still be respected , as it was a prime Reggie Johnson , he also has a stoppage win over a much younger , fresher and bigger former IBF CW champion Imamu Mayfield at a CW
title elimination , remember that Castro is originally a LMW (!) ,
and while being 40 he avenged his stoppage loss to Jose Luis Herrerra at 175
by way of a quicker stoppage , also he stopped LHW contender Derrick Harmon at LHW , another stoppage win over a younger , fresher and much bigger opponent , not to mention other fights when he lasted the distance against much bigger , younger and fresher opponents .
You should really study a little about a fighter before you raise such rude comments against him , if anything , I underrated him in my list .
Norris and Byrd fighting the men they fought (Norris outpointed Tucker and McCall among a few others) = Ray Robinson beating Michael Spinks , and
Norris losing on points to Golota and Akiwande = Robinson losing a competitive
fight on points to Rid**** Bowe , Lewis and the Klitschkos .
Do you expect Robinson to last the distance against them ? I don't.
But (the 5'9") Norris lasted 12 against Golota , Tucker and Akiwande , actually
it can be claimed that he won both of his fights against Tucker and not just the second (I did watch his first fight against Tucker and his fight against Golota and didn't manage to get the second , nor his other fights).
Norris is not even a safety first fighter .
Byrd's stoppage win over VWK is possibly legit , as Vitali may have injured himself , while trying to hit Byrd .
Byrd lasted the distance against big punching big men such as WK , McCline and Golota not to mention he lasted the distance and won (deservedly or not)
decisions against Rahman , Tua and Holyfield (shot but still fought on many
years on) .
You chose to discredit 4 of the greatest P4P by definition fighters ever , do your homework before discrediting .

stopping norris wasnt mission impossible.brown almost k.o'd him in the 1st round from a jab.and jackson gave him an all time great k.o.norris best wins were over the hill guys like leonard and mugabe.have you seen maurice blocker fight??his claim to fame was being tall.he ******.

john jackson isnt a good fighter.he's just the best win on castros resume.harmon was ko'd in damn near all his cruiser fights.he was a natural light heavy.you give guys an insane amount of credit for making it the distance but lb for lb means,if all things were = who would be the best fighter.there is nothing whatsoever great about the skills of simon brown,jorge castro,orlin norris and chris byrd.they were solid fighters and good enough to be belt holders but not good enough to beat the best at any division

i dont give guys credit for just lasting the distance.should i give cotto credit for running away from manny for 8 rounds??absolutely not.in boxong you deal in wins and losses,but never ever should a guy be ranked just cause he made it the distance

and if going by your definition of lb for lb,pacquiao would be the greatest of all time being that he has won 7 different weigh titles

[Toney616]

i dont give guys credit for just lasting the distance.should i give cotto credit for running away from manny for 8 rounds??absolutely not.in boxong you deal in wins and losses,but never ever should a guy be ranked just cause he made it the distance

Frankenfrank isnt a fight fan, his a boxrec fan, pretending to be a fight fan

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dan sherry is a legend