Poet's top 20 P4P

[r.burgundy]

arguello @ 6,hagler @ 17,benny leonard #7 lmao.and this guy has the nerve to ? smebodys boxing knowledge.wow.thats rich

[r.burgundy]

Louis and Ali proved no more P4P ability than Wlad did , and he is far from any
top 50 P4P list of mine also.

lets try my P4P list (first time I try a top 20 P4P , and I did not think a lot
about it as opposed to my SHW list , this one may probably need more corrections) :
1. Sam Langford
2. Mike Tyson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Walcott
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ray Leonard
7. Chris Byrd
8. Orlin Norris
9. Young Peter Jackson
10. James Toney

11. Ray Robinson
12. Charley Burley
13. Marlon Starling
14. Jose Luis Lopez
15. Ike Quartery
16. Manny Pacquiao
17. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Hector Camacho
20. Ezzard Charles

21. Archie Moore
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Jorge Fernando Castro
24. Simon Brown
25. David Tua
26. Doug Jones
27. Joe Frazier
28. Muhammad Qawi
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Michael Spinks


31. Juan Manuel Marquez
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Julio Cesar Chavez
34. Oscar Delahoya
35. Vinny Pazienza
36. Arnold Cream
37. Ronald Wright
38. Shane Mosley
39. Floyd Mayweather
40. Pernell Whitaker

41. Carmen Basilio
42. Vince Phillips
43. Meldrick Taylor
44. Miguel Cotto
45. Ricky Hatton
46. Kotsya Tszyu

Yes , I know there is a number of old timers I forgot to boxrec enough whom may deserve to be in the top 25 , they may be added in the future , as well as possible incorrectness in the internal ordering of this list.

franken i have got ask,how in the heck did you manage to fit chris byrd and orlin norris ahead of ray robinson,and what are jorge castro and simon brown doing ahead of anybody

[Stone Roses!]

I'm sorry but I have to come back and laugh at frankenfranks P4P list.

No disrespect Mate but Doug Jones at #26???

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHHA HAHAHHA



Oh man that **** had me on the floor.

[frankenfrank]

franken i have got ask,how in the heck did you manage to fit chris byrd and orlin norris ahead of ray robinson,and what are jorge castro and simon brown doing ahead of anybody

I am not absolutely sure about it , but :
Chris Byrd (6" , natural 175lber) fought :
Vitali Klitschko , Wladimir Klitschko (*2) , Jameel McCline , Andrezj Golota ,
Ike Ibeabuchi , David Tua , Ross Puritty , Alexander Povetkin as well as other dangerous opponents.

Orlin Norris (5'9" , natural 200lber) fought :
Vitali Klitschko , Henry Akiwande , Tony Tucker (*2) , Andrezj Golota , Oliver McCall , Brian Nielsen , Jesse Fergusson (and don't tell me he was not an upset able opponent) as well as other much bigger than himself and quality opponents.


Were there any fighters since Sam Langford , whom faced such a huge physical adversity and disadvantage so frequently ?

I say no. No one at all (since Langford) . Not even James Toney.
And if you consider the outcomes of their fights against that monsterous opposition , you may find they actually did quite good , these are the best examples of P4P fighters. And no disrespect to Robinson , but he did enjoy size advantage over most of his opponents and was stopped by Joey Maxim whom was bigger than himself , but much less bigger than Tucker , Akiwande , Vitali and even Golota were compared to Norris. Robinson also went 1:1 in split decisions against a smaller former welterweight in Carmen Basilio .

Simon Brown and Castro are great examples of P4P greatness if you just read their records carefully enough.
These are 4 great P4P fighters , what can you claim against it ?

[Stone Roses!]

was stopped by Joey Maxim whom was bigger than himself

Joey Maxim was getting ****ing schooled in that fight. Maxim didn't stop Robinson, the heat did.

[StarshipTrooper]

This is not really a thread to flame you, Poet, but I just don't understand how you couldn't put fighters like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Harry Greb, and Archie Moore on your top 20?

This is a list you posted in another thread:

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Roberto Duran
05. Henry Armstrong
06. Alexis Arguello
07. Benny Leonard
08. Ray Leonard
09. Pernell Whitaker
10. Ezzard Charles
11. Joe Gans
12. Roy Jones
13. Pascual Perez
14. Eder Jofre
15. Miguel Canto
16. Charley Burley
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Willie Pepp
20. Ricardo Lopez

The explanation is quite simple: As a rule I never put Heavyweights on p4p lists

Poet

[The Iron Man]

Poet has said it before, he doesn't put heavyweights in his p4p lists. Not 100% sure of the reason i think its because they have enough recognition already? don't quote me on that tho!

EDIT: Looks like he posted at exactly the same time...

[StarshipTrooper]

arguello @ 6,hagler @ 17,benny leonard #7 lmao.and this guy has the nerve to ? smebodys boxing knowledge.wow.thats rich

Let's see yours: I need a laugh :hahahaha9:

PS. Watch him copy and paste the Ring's current p4p list :rofl9:

Poet

[Vadrigar.]

The explanation is quite simple: As a rule I never put Heavyweights on p4p lists

Poet

I was thinking this too. Well thanks for clearing that up

[Sam Donald]

Louis and Ali proved no more P4P ability than Wlad did , and he is far from any
top 50 P4P list of mine also.

lets try my P4P list (first time I try a top 20 P4P , and I did not think a lot
about it as opposed to my SHW list , this one may probably need more corrections) :
1. Sam Langford
2. Mike Tyson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Walcott
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ray Leonard
7. Chris Byrd
8. Orlin Norris
9. Young Peter Jackson
10. James Toney

11. Ray Robinson
12. Charley Burley
13. Marlon Starling
14. Jose Luis Lopez
15. Ike Quartery
16. Manny Pacquiao
17. Harry Greb
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Hector Camacho
20. Ezzard Charles

21. Archie Moore
22. Rocky Marciano
23. Jorge Fernando Castro
24. Simon Brown
25. David Tua
26. Doug Jones
27. Joe Frazier
28. Muhammad Qawi
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Michael Spinks


31. Juan Manuel Marquez
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Julio Cesar Chavez
34. Oscar Delahoya
35. Vinny Pazienza
36. Arnold Cream
37. Ronald Wright
38. Shane Mosley
39. Floyd Mayweather
40. Pernell Whitaker

41. Carmen Basilio
42. Vince Phillips
43. Meldrick Taylor
44. Miguel Cotto
45. Ricky Hatton
46. Kotsya Tszyu

Yes , I know there is a number of old timers I forgot to boxrec enough whom may deserve to be in the top 25 , they may be added in the future , as well as possible incorrectness in the internal ordering of this list.

Is this a JOKE?