How would Rocky Marciano do against Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson?

[prinzemanspopa]

What punchers did Frazier avoid? Please name me them. This will be very amusing.

So what if it was a good payday to take a Foreman rematch? He still stepped up to the challenge and gave Foreman a competitive fight up until the stoppage.

He wasn't running away from Foreman, in that picture. He was dazed and was about to fall to the canvas before Foreman hit him with another punch. It might appear like he was running in the actual picture, but he really wasn't.

Earnie Shavers,Mac Foster,Ron Lyle,Sonny Liston,Leotis Martin....Just to name a few.

You can look up the ratings and see all the ranked punchers that frazier avoided fighting.



He stepped up to the challenge because he had nothing to lose and wanted to leave with a nice purse.He put up no challenge to foreman and was once agains easily handled,despite his silly survival effort.



frazier turned his back away from foreman and ran.There really is nothing to debate here.We have video evidence of frazier doing this before clocked him over the head leading to the 100th or something knockdown of their fight.



And keep in mind that I can't be on here 24/7.

No need to message me to remind me of this thread.

[GJC]

Earnie Shavers,Mac Foster,Ron Lyle,Sonny Liston,Leotis Martin....Just to name a few.

You can look up the ratings and see all the ranked punchers that frazier avoided fighting.



He stepped up to the challenge because he had nothing to lose and wanted to leave with a nice purse.He put up no challenge to foreman and was once agains easily handled,despite his silly survival effort.



frazier turned his back away from foreman and ran.There really is nothing to debate here.We have video evidence of frazier doing this before clocked him over the head leading to the 100th or something knockdown of their fight.



And keep in mind that I can't be on here 24/7.

No need to message me to remind me of this thread.

Never agree with you on this but I'll give you credit you have the tenacity of a jack russell.
Maybe we ought to get you and Sonnyboy together on a fantasy match between Lewis and Frazier and leave you to it for the next ten years

[prinzemanspopa]

Just saying what needs to be said.The truth is finally coming out on Joe Frazier.


More and more fans are now beginning to look into his career and see him and his career for what it was.


His standing in heavyweight history will continue to slip until he's remembered as just being 'that guy who fought so and so'.

[righthook10]

Earnie Shavers,Mac Foster,Ron Lyle,Sonny Liston,Leotis Martin....Just to name a few.

You can look up the ratings and see all the ranked punchers that frazier avoided fighting.

He stepped up to the challenge because he had nothing to lose and wanted to leave with a nice purse.He put up no challenge to foreman and was once agains easily handled,despite his silly survival effort.

frazier turned his back away from foreman and ran.There really is nothing to debate here.We have video evidence of frazier doing this before clocked him over the head leading to the 100th or something knockdown of their fight.

And keep in mind that I can't be on here 24/7.

No need to message me to remind me of this thread.

Shavers became a top heavyweight after Frazier lost the title, but he wasn't in any real position to challenge Frazier. Shavers ended up losing to Quarry in 1973 and Frazier fought the winner of that fight - Quarry. Shavers lost to every top opponent he faced up until when Frazier retired.

Frazier fought higher ranked fighters, in the time when Foster was in the top 10, including Quarry, Ellis and Ali. I don't know how you can blast him for fighting the better fighters.

Lyle also became a top heavyweight toward the end of Frazier's career. This was another case of the wrong time period.

The only time Liston and Martin were top 10 heavyweights was in 1968 and 1969. In '68, Frazier fought for the title and then beat two other fighters who were rated higher than both Liston and Martin, including Bonavena, who had just beat Martin. After Martin beat Liston, he was forced to retire because of his eye.

Granted, in '69, Frazier could've fought Liston instead of Zyglewicz, but do you really think Liston was a threat? He was past his prime and went on to be knocked out by Martin.

He still stepped into the ring with Foreman for a second time and he DID give him a real fight. Everyone who's seen it knows that Frazier was landing big punches on Foreman.

Why don't you show me the video evidence of him running? Everyone will clearly be able to see that Frazier was stunned by a punch and was about to fall to the canvas before Foreman hit him with another punch. Not running, as you disrespectfully put it.

[prinzemanspopa]

Shavers became a top heavyweight after Frazier lost the title, but he wasn't in any real position to challenge Frazier. Shavers ended up losing to Quarry in 1973 and Frazier fought the winner of that fight - Quarry. Shavers lost to every top opponent he faced up until when Frazier retired.

Since when does one challenger have to be in a position to fight a fellow challenger?

Contenders fight each other and they do so for a reason

Frazier fought higher ranked fighters, in the time when Foster was in the top 10, including Quarry, Ellis and Ali. I don't know how you can blast him for fighting the better fighters.

I can assure you that bob foster,Terry Daniels and Ron Stander were not rated higher than Mac foster at any points in their careers in the heavyweight rankings than Mac foster was from 1969-1972

Lyle also became a top heavyweight toward the end of Frazier's career. This was another case of the wrong time period.

No,Lyle was a top ten contender for atleast the last four years of frazier's career.That is hardly the end of his career.


Lyle was able to secure fights with two more highly regarded heavyweights in Ali and foreman within a eight month period,at a time when frazier was still an active heavyweight.

The only time Liston and Martin were top 10 heavyweights was in 1968 and 1969. In '68, Frazier fought for the title and then beat two other fighters who were rated higher than both Liston and Martin, including Bonavena, who had just beat Martin. After Martin beat Liston, he was forced to retire because of his eye.

Leotis Martin was the best heavyweight prospect in the city not names Joe frazier.

It's about as logical a match as you'll find between two prospects.

Granted, in '69, Frazier could've fought Liston instead of Zyglewicz, but do you really think Liston was a threat? He was past his prime and went on to be knocked out by Martin.

Whether I think Liston would have been a threat or not is fairly irrelevant as matchups aren't won on paper.Considering frazier never showed the ability to take the punch of a real puncher,It's still a dangerous matchup for frazier.

Why don't you show me the video evidence of him running? Everyone will clearly be able to see that Frazier was stunned by a punch and was about to fall to the canvas before Foreman hit him with another punch. Not running, as you disrespectfully put it.

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[boxing boy]

Since when does one challenger have to be in a position to fight a fellow challenger?

Contenders fight each other and they do so for a reason







I can assure you that bob foster,Terry Daniels and Ron Stander were not rated higher than Mac foster at any points in their careers in the heavyweight rankings than Mac foster was from 1969-1972







No,Lyle was a top ten contender for atleast the last four years of frazier's career.That is hardly the end of his career.


Lyle was able to secure fights with two more highly regarded heavyweights in Ali and foreman within a eight month period,at a time when frazier was still an active heavyweight.







Leotis Martin was the best heavyweight prospect in the city not names Joe frazier.

It's about as logical a match as you'll find between two prospects.




Whether I think Liston would have been a threat or not is fairly irrelevant as matchups aren't won on paper.Considering frazier never showed the ability to take the punch of a real puncher,It's still a dangerous matchup for frazier.














@5.05

Marciano was knocked down by light punching Jersey Joe Walcott.Frazier was bigger,stronger,and hit harder than Walcott(And Marciano).If Walcott can knock down Marciano I hate to see what Frazier's left hook would do to Marciano.Geeezzzzz,it would be murder and a crime to put Marciano in the same ring with George Foreman,who had 35 lbs on Marciano!! And was ALOT stronger than Marciano.And was the hardest puncher in ring history!!

Foreman would clobber Marciano ALOT worse than he did Frazier.Both Foreman and Frazier were alot bigger,stronger,faster,and hit harder than Marciano....Who got knocked down by light punching 185lb Walcott.

[Anthony342]

I give Marciano a chance against anyone, from any era. And if guys like Frazier and Tyson outweighed him, don't you think he would've gained 20 to 30 pounds of muscle to even the odds? Of course he would. Just like Michael Spinks did when he moved up from light heavyweight to heavyweight and when Holyfield went from cruiser to heavyweight. I'd say Marciano, by late knockout or close decision, but only if he could get past the first 4 or 5 rounds, especially if he took on a big puncher like Foreman. Against a young Foreman, it could very well be a 3rd round TKO win for him, just like I could see maybe a 5th round TKO win for Frazier or Tyson, because of their punching power, especially with Joe's left hook.

If we're talking a 15 round fight here, I could also see Marciano having an edge, with more time to get to those guys.

[Spartacus Sully]

I give Marciano a chance against anyone, from any era. And if guys like Frazier and Tyson outweighed him, don't you think he would've gained 20 to 30 pounds of muscle to even the odds? Of course he would. Just like Michael Spinks did when he moved up from light heavyweight to heavyweight and when Holyfield went from cruiser to heavyweight. I'd say Marciano, by late knockout or close decision, but only if he could get past the first 4 or 5 rounds, especially if he took on a big puncher like Foreman. Against a young Foreman, it could very well be a 3rd round TKO win for him, just like I could see maybe a 5th round TKO win for Frazier or Tyson, because of their punching power, especially with Joe's left hook.

If we're talking a 15 round fight here, I could also see Marciano having an edge, with more time to get to those guys.

evening the odds would be letting marciano up to 200 but letting him add 20-30 lbs thats just unfair for fraizer and tyson.

[them_apples]

I give Marciano a chance against anyone, from any era. And if guys like Frazier and Tyson outweighed him, don't you think he would've gained 20 to 30 pounds of muscle to even the odds? Of course he would. Just like Michael Spinks did when he moved up from light heavyweight to heavyweight and when Holyfield went from cruiser to heavyweight. I'd say Marciano, by late knockout or close decision, but only if he could get past the first 4 or 5 rounds, especially if he took on a big puncher like Foreman. Against a young Foreman, it could very well be a 3rd round TKO win for him, just like I could see maybe a 5th round TKO win for Frazier or Tyson, because of their punching power, especially with Joe's left hook.

If we're talking a 15 round fight here, I could also see Marciano having an edge, with more time to get to those guys.

Rocky Marciano had a 67 inch reach and his chest was the same measurement as FW Marquez'. Put 30 lbs on him and there goes his best asset; his stamina.

I bet Rocky could be cut at perhaps 195 at best, even that's pushing it. He wouldn't even dehydrate to make 186 (his prime weight).

I know size isn't everything. Rocky fought some bigger men, Rocky was a tough dude. I could see him going 9 with Frazier and getting stopped, or even managing to go the distance (I see him losing wide though, and getting dropped in the process).

Against Tyson I think the power is pretty much the difference. The power, speed and Rocky's poor defense. He would get caught and it simply wouldn't go into the late rounds for him to make a mark.

My picks would be Frazier by TKO in 9
And Tyson by TKO in 2

I think Rocky had to much heart and trained too hard to actually get sparked out cold. He might be on ***** street but I'm sure he'd get up.

[them_apples]

Marciano was knocked down by light punching Jersey Joe Walcott.Frazier was bigger,stronger,and hit harder than Walcott(And Marciano).If Walcott can knock down Marciano I hate to see what Frazier's left hook would do to Marciano.Geeezzzzz,it would be murder and a crime to put Marciano in the same ring with George Foreman,who had 35 lbs on Marciano!! And was ALOT stronger than Marciano.And was the hardest puncher in ring history!!

Foreman would clobber Marciano ALOT worse than he did Frazier.Both Foreman and Frazier were alot bigger,stronger,faster,and hit harder than Marciano....Who got knocked down by light punching 185lb Walcott.

I agree Foreman vs Rocky is the easiest ATG fighter for Foreman in my books. He'd shove him backwards and out muscle him all the way to a stoppage even in the first round under modern rules.