Tommy Hearns VS Roy Jones JR.

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I don't see much of a reason for debate here.

Hearns has very little in terms of significant wins above 160. Jones is the best ever at 168 and a top 10/5 at 175.

No one with Hearns' chin is beating Jones. Ever.

Let me elaborate on this part, which I think is key. You are not going to fight a prime Jones without getting tagged.

I think we all agree that it would take some larger version of Pep, Locche, Pea or Mayweather to go untouched in a fight with Jones. Hearns is clearly none of the above.

We also all know very well that Jones hits hard, and regardless of 1 punch power he has a better KO ratio at 68 and above.

We also all know that a prime Hearns chin can be cracked.

In view of this, I fail to see how Hearns can make it out of there on his feet.

[Sugarj]

I haven't read the full thread but heres my two cents:

This fight I guess would have to be made at Middle or Super middleweight. At middle Jones was probably a bit green and Hearns was a bit post prime.

At Super middle Jones was clearly prime and Tommy was (as evidenced in the second Ray Leonard fight) not quite what he was.

I guess you cant write off the chances of Hearns actually landing with a nasty right hand at either weight, but no one seemed able to land much on prime Jones. Plus I'd argue that Jones's chin was far better before the Tarver weight loss than he gets any credit for anyway.

I think we would see a dominant decision win at either of these weights for Jones. I wont argue a stoppage, the naturally cautious Jones would surely be respectful of Hearn's right hand. It may end up looking a bit like the Jones vs McCallum fight.

[r.burgundy]

lmao... your going to have to show me this fact of yours where Hearns got "KNOCKED COMATOSE" 2 times?... i would call those losses TKO stoppages by the referee, whereas the KO losses which Jones suffered i would call those "COMATOSE"..

41+ is well into his 40s in terms of boxing yes... but that is all you have came up with from my reply to your fabricated idiotic drivel, it was also a damaged ankle TKO.. yet when Roy Jones was fighting bums at age 35 he was put to sleep for several minutes by them.

Show you the punch which did what?.. cut Hagler?

What Virgil Hill went on to achieve is immaterial, it just goes to show how great Hearns must have been to burst Hills bubble at age 33yrs when Virgil Hill was at the "Top of his Game" and was defending his World Title for the 12th time... i like how you completely ignored Hills beating by Michelczewski in his fight before losing to Jones.

you say Jones is better than Barkley.. but Hearns is better than Glen Johnson, Danny Green & Antonio Tarver in fact Hearns has just recently offered to fight Tarver in a winner take all fight and Hearns is in his 50s

you repeatedly claim Hearns was "Brutally KOd by a WW" i look forward to you showing me this "Brutal KO"... because like i said in my last post, you aint ever seen none of Hearns fights otherwise you would not be describing them in the foolish and incorrect way that you do...

Castro vs Jones... i have the fight here on dvd and i dont see Castro doing any running like you claim in fact Castro held the centre of the ring with Jones doing all the running.. once again another one of your made-up lies or as you call them "Facts" has been exposed as fraudulent.

Are you claiming that if Iran Barkley hit Roy Jones with the left hook he put Hearns down with in their 1st fight that it would not put Jones too sleep? or as you call it frazier blvd?

yes i would compaire Roy Jones to Ray Leonard in terms of speed & skill

keep posting i am having fun with you.

so you would call hagler,barkley/hearns a tko.lmao.it just gets better and better


yes.the punch that cause the cut.vs hagler.

he was only put to sleep by glenn johnson smart guy.he beat the count vs tarver,and danny green lol.give it up dude

who said hearns wasnt great lol?

do you keep missing the fact that we are discussing primesjones was never k.o'd in his prime while hearns was k.od twice lol.brutally

he didnt put hearns down with a left and thats an imaterial as you put it.where not debating barkley/jones lol.stop shifting your foolishness.focus on 1 thing.

in his prime was never stopped.in hearns prime he was stopped twice.simple

[r.burgundy]

I don't see much of a reason for debate here.

Hearns has very little in terms of significant wins above 160. Jones is the best ever at 168 and a top 10/5 at 175.

No one with Hearns' chin is beating Jones. Ever.

its hillarity.benny gave me red for sayin "roy by fatality"lol

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its hillarity.benny gave me red for sayin "roy by fatality"lol

Well... "by fatality" sounds like Roy steps in there, walks through anything Tommy has to throw or dodges every single punch on his way in, lands a triple left hook and decapitates Tommy. That's what i imagine if you say fatality, and it seems unrealistic, for a few reasons. Hearns has the power to hurt Jones, and Jones is not ******. So it would be more a case of Jones being cautions, eating a few jabs, losing a couple of rounds, and then finding what he needs (which I think would be some disciplined rounds of bombs to the body, and later on some sharpshooting to the head which would finish the fight).

Everyone here is talking about chin/power/speed/reach and who got what (well height is kind of obvious), but what matters to me is that while they are both exceptional fighters, Roy is a lot smarter and never fades late.

[T.McGrady]

Once again you show your knowledge of boxing to be zero and another of your posts made-up after you have consulted boxrec to compile your argument without ever watching a single punch thrown..

Hearns loss to Uriah Grant was due to a damaged ankle when Hearns slipped while throwing a punch, he was also well into his 40s.

You claim Haglers cuts was caused by a headbutt?... dont make me laugh you clown, they was caused by Hearns right-hand just like Hagler claimed they were in the post fight interview.. so once again another fight which you have never taken the time to watch.

you mention Bernard Hopkins & James Toney... Toney was completely weight-drained as Roy Jones himself admitted while Hopkins avenged his points defeat to Jones when he was nearly 50yrs old.. neither Hopkins or Toney carried knock-out drops in their fists like Thomas Hearns did, nor did they possess the speed or boxing skills which Hearns has.

Hearns loss at welterweight to Leonard was one if not the greatest welterweight fight of the last half-century, if it had have been a 12rd fight like which Jones fought in against Hopkins & Toney then Hearns would have been declared a clear winner after the 12rds... Hearns was stopped after running out of gas yet showed he was the equal of Leonard in their rematch 8yrs later...

Hearns was No1 contender for Haglers title yet Hagler wanted nothing to do with a rematch with Hearns.

Virgil Hill was handed his first pro defeat when taken to school and given a boxing lesson by Thomas Hearns when Hearns was years past his best... Virgil Hill was hammered by Dariuzs Michalczewski only months before he fought Roy Jones, Hill was also well past his best and in his mid 30s as well as heavily into substance abuse when losing to Jones..

Barkley was on the verge of being stopped in his 1st fight with Hearns as his face looked like a pizza with the referee ready to stop the contest when he lashed out and caught Hearns with a peach of a left-hook (ala Tarver vs Jones)..

So unto you have watched these boxing fights i would suggest that you abstain from posting your foolish made-up comments which you call facts... because nothing you have claimed so far has any `Facts` in it, it is all your own made-up drivel which you spew out on a daily basis without ever knowing what it is that you are talking about, you need to watch the fights instead of looking at `Boxrec` then trying to assassinate the career and abilities of a living legend like Thomas`Hitman`Hearns.

LMAO SRL has more power than roy.

You gotta understand that jones took some serious punishment in his first fight with tarver before getting knocked out in the second. Same thing goes with johnson, roy came back early(didn't give himself time to recover) and took some power punches from glen before the KO. You also gotta understand that was 35yrs old and had lost all his abilities(legs, reflexes, hand speed).

When we talk about prime roy, we're talking about roy who made undefeated prime james toney(P4P king) look like a bum.

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LMAO SRL has more power than roy.

You gotta understand that jones took some serious punishment in his first fight with tarver before getting knocked out in the second. Same thing goes with johnson, roy came back early(didn't give himself time to recover) and took some power punches from glen before the KO. You also gotta understand that was 35yrs old and had lost all his abilities(legs, reflexes, hand speed).

When we talk about prime roy, we're talking about roy who made undefeated prime james toney(P4P king) look like a bum.

Who said that?

[r.burgundy]

Who said that?

its been said in here a few times lmao

[r.burgundy]

Well... "by fatality" sounds like Roy steps in there, walks through anything Tommy has to throw or dodges every single punch on his way in, lands a triple left hook and decapitates Tommy. That's what i imagine if you say fatality, and it seems unrealistic, for a few reasons. Hearns has the power to hurt Jones, and Jones is not ******. So it would be more a case of Jones being cautions, eating a few jabs, losing a couple of rounds, and then finding what he needs (which I think would be some disciplined rounds of bombs to the body, and later on some sharpshooting to the head which would finish the fight).

Everyone here is talking about chin/power/speed/reach and who got what (well height is kind of obvious), but what matters to me is that while they are both exceptional fighters, Roy is a lot smarter and never fades late.

as you said earlier,this is a topic that shouldnt be much debate on.hearns was seen walking down frazier blvd twice in his prime while jones was untouchable in his.hearns doesnt have any standout ko's at mw and above so his power obviously went down,he had great boxing skills,but so did jones,and at mw,jones had a better,chin and much bigger punch

[them_apples]

The Hearns that fought Hagler vs Jones @ 154 is the weight i'd give Hearns a shot at.

Anything above that yeah I don't see Hearns being able to do it.