Prime Muhammad Ali vs Prime Jack Dempsey - Who Wins?

[Real King Kong]

Read the first post. We are deciding which fighter will win based on what we have seen from both of them on film. They could be fighting in 2040 for all I care. Judge on what we know.

would it be an mma fight? cuz joe rogan says boxing will be long dead by then.

[NChristo]

Still doesn't make a difference. Ali had tremendous recuperative abilities. He got cracked on the chin by a Doug Jones left hook, his knees buckled for a split second yet still managed to stay on his feet. Frazier dropped him with a bomb of a hook yet Ali regained all his senses when he stood on his feet. regardless of whether Ali would be given time to recover or not.

Ali never took an 8 count in his career. Now Demspey fighting in Ali's Era with bigger gloves would mean his KO% would decrease.

Despite his recuperative abilities if he went down he's not going to be getting back up without taking some flush hits and possibly going back down again.

[Stone Roses!]

Despite his recuperative abilities if he went down he's not going to be getting back up without taking some flush hits and possibly going back down again.

Simply wrong. Ali's Boxing IQ >>> Dempsey's. If Ali even got dropped by 'Paris' Dempsey (Which is highly unlikely in the first place) He would no doubt be fully recovered before he touches the canvas.

Also I doubt Dempsey could be effective on the inside. Seeing as though this will take place in Dempsey's era. Ali would just clich the back of his neck constantly and with ease taking into account Dempsey's height and the leniency of the refs back then.

[Real King Kong]

Simply wrong. Ali's Boxing IQ >>> Dempsey's. If Ali even got dropped by 'Paris' Dempsey (Which is highly unlikely in the first place) He would no doubt be fully recovered before he touches the canvas.

Also I doubt Dempsey could be effective on the inside. Seeing as though this will take place in Dempsey's era. Ali would just clich the back of his neck constantly and with ease taking into account Dempsey's height and the leniency of the refs back then.

not that i'm disagreeing on who would win...but what does boxing IQ have to do with recovering from being hurt?

dempsey was not much shorter than ali btw. if ali was gonna get on the back of his neck it would be like he did to foreman...and he would be getting bludgeoned to the body for his troubles much the same.

[Stone Roses!]

not that i'm disagreeing on who would win...but what does boxing IQ have to do with recovering from being hurt?

dempsey was not much shorter than ali btw. if ali was gonna get on the back of his neck it would be like he did to foreman...and he would be getting bludgeoned to the body for his troubles much the same.

Smothering. Clinching. etc all encompass a fighters IQ.

You are comaring Dempsey's height to Foreman's??

Jack was 6'1"
Foreman was 6'4"

Plus Dempsey was a pressure fighter and crouched when he pressure fighters.

[Real King Kong]

Smothering. Clinching. etc all encompass a fighters IQ.

You are comaring Dempsey's height to Foreman's??

Jack was 6'1"
Foreman was 6'4"

Plus Dempsey was a pressure fighter and crouched when he pressure fighters.

no...i'm sayin crouching dempsey aint crouching frazier. its not like ali would be able to lean on the back of his neck and push him down so far he couldn't get of body punches. ali's like 2 inches taller..its not like he towers over him. in retrospect foreman(6'3 1/2") wasn't the best example.

[forget]

I have Ali winning in a mismatch. I watch Dempsey fights alot because he is one of my favorites. Watching Jack fight Willard and both of them walking in with their hands by their waist, throwing punches with abandon. Ali would easily pick either appart.

[Southpaw Stinger]

would it be an mma fight? cuz joe rogan says boxing will be long dead by then.

Joe Rogan will be long dead by then. Boxing will be alive, well and still shagging.

[Calilloyd]

Worse fighters than Dempsey were able to get to Ali. I'd give post ban Ali an easier time against Dempsey than pre ban Ali. Jmo though.

If you're going to use 20 and 21 year old Ali against him than you can certainly use Dempsey getting KO'd in one against Fireman Jim Flynn. And no fighters "got to Ali" after the Liston fight until after his layoff. Ali could have beaten Dempsey every bit as easily as he did Liston. There is no evidence that would tell me anything different when looking at Dempsey's career.

[Real King Kong]

not that i'm disagreeing on who would win...but what does boxing IQ have to do with recovering from being hurt?

dempsey was not much shorter than ali btw. if ali was gonna get on the back of his neck it would be like he did to foreman...and he would be getting bludgeoned to the body for his troubles much the same.

Smothering. Clinching. etc all encompass a fighters IQ.

You are comaring Dempsey's height to Foreman's??

Jack was 6'1"
Foreman was 6'4"

Plus Dempsey was a pressure fighter and crouched when he pressure fighters.

Simply wrong. Ali's Boxing IQ >>> Dempsey's. If Ali even got dropped by 'Paris' Dempsey (Which is highly unlikely in the first place) He would no doubt be fully recovered before he touches the canvas.

this is the comment i was referring to. you made it sound like if ali got dropped by dempsey he would recover before he hit the ground because of his boxing IQ.