How Great Is Lennox Lewis's Resume?

[Willie Pep 229]

Don King was a true "super villian." Honestly? people think Arum is smart... A nice ***ish boy from Brooklyn who survived law school....whoopie Dew, Meanwhile King? Survived being in the crosshairs of two of the most dangerous, viscious mob leaders in history... in a city where the preferred method of dealing with an adversary was to blow half the freakin block up where target MIGHT be located... Then beats homicide charges, all the while maintaining his Hustle (Numbers), then becomes a real crook in the boxing world. No comparison! King is evil but one of the smartest evil geniuses.

Compare that to Lewis with his nice penchant for a game of Chess... Yeah King probably manipulated the situation lol. Your favorite (Tubby Lars) actually managed to escape King's net lol.

I have this problem with King's susposed brilliance. He was short sighted and always went for quick money.

Example: King had Camacho, Bramble, and Rosario signed for multiple fights.

Bramble had become a sensation and there was a big money fight between him and Camacho ready to go (1986)

King wanted to double dip on the fight, which was the smart thing to do, so he arranged what became known as the Preamble to Bramble.

He smartly matched Camacho with Boza-Edwards who was a fading name and no real threat to Hector.

But because he had Rosario signed he foolishly went after the short gain he could get from picking Rosario's pocket and foolishly matched him against Bramble. A round and a half later the big money fight, Camacho-Bramble was gone.

Had King actually been smart and able to look past the short money grab he would have matched Bramble with a strawman, an easy to beat opponent who Bramble could have KOed and the big money fight would have been there.

In the end, Bramble was finished and left King. Camacho was embittered and left King. Rosario alone was not a money maker.

IMO King wasn't as smart as legend has it, he was short sighted and never was able to grasp the big picture.

In the end the only fighter King was ever able to take on a long term run of multiple money making fights was Larry Holmes and all King ever did was verbally disparage Holmes and hurt his own money maker's reputation.

I think his smartness is overrated.

P.S. What Celeveland mobsters are to speaking of; who tried to blow up a street to get one target?

I know that happened in Naples Italy where they took out one quater of mile of road all at once just to nail one judge (and got him) but never heard of an American mobster bombing taking out half a city block. A few cars here there, yes. Lol

[Rosco3387]

I have this problem with King's susposed brilliance. He was short sighted and always went for quick money.

Example: King had Camacho, Bramble, and Rosario signed for multiple fights.

Bramble had become a sensation and there was a big money fight between him and Camacho ready to go (1986)

King wanted to double dip on the fight, which was the smart thing to do, so he arranged what became known as the Preamble to Bramble.

He smartly matched Camacho with Boza-Edwards who was a fading name and no real threat to Hector.

But because he had Rosario signed he foolishly went after the short gain he could get from picking Rosario's pocket and foolishly matched him against Bramble. A round and a half later the big money fight, Camacho-Bramble was gone.

Had King actually been smart and able to look past the short money grab he would have matched Bramble with a strawman, an easy to beat opponent who Bramble could have KOed and the big money fight would have been there.

In the end, Bramble was finished and left King. Camacho was embittered and left King. Rosario alone was not a money maker.

IMO King wasn't as smart as legend has it, he was short sighted and never was able to grasp the big picture.

In the end the only fighter King was ever able to take on a long term run of multiple money making fights was Larry Holmes and all King ever did was verbally disparage Holmes and hurt his own money maker's reputation.

I think his smartness is overrated.

P.S. What Celeveland mobsters are to speaking of; who tried to blow up a street to get one target?

I know that happened in Naples Italy where they took out one quater of mile of road all at once just to nail one judge (and got him) but never heard of an American mobster bombing taking out half a city block. A few cars here there, yes. Lol

There is an old expression: "There is no long money on the street." Another similar axiom in real estate: "Cash is King." There is no financial principle that states the long money is better... It is an assumption. King was also greedy... If Quick money was always bad, there could never be a bond worth purchasing... And when you buy a bond one pays handsomely for "time."

King was essentially a hustler. Hustlers seldom go long on the streets because you die early. King's genius was IMO his ability to survive the Cleveland gangland Wars.

[Dr. Z]

Don King was a thug, and a person guilty of crimes. He ended up killing a man by kicking him to death. This is not to mention his stories that fit the old line " I'll make him an offer he can't refuse "

The man as however brilliant is some ways, and had a flair as a promoter that was great. I find him an entertaining scoundrel. I hate like him and hate him at the same time. A genius in some of the worst human emotions.

[BattlingNelson]

Don King was a thug, and a person guilty of crimes. He ended up killing a man by kicking him to death. This is not to mention his stories that fit the old line " I'll make him an offer he can't refuse "

The man as however brilliant is some ways, and had a flair as a promoter that was great. I find him an entertaining scoundrel. I hate like him and hate him at the same time. A genius in some of the worst human emotions.

Don king made some of the best cards in boxing history. What I hate about him in boxing is the fact that he cheated a lot of fighters of their hard earned money.

[Ivich]

Don king made some of the best cards in boxing history. What I hate about him in boxing is the fact that he cheated a lot of fighters of their hard earned money.

That is the crux of it.A human vulture.

[QueensburyRules]

Don king made some of the best cards in boxing history. What I hate about him in boxing is the fact that he cheated a lot of fighters of their hard earned money.

- - And 3/4 of the cards were fixed with lucrative rematches to follow.

Finally banned from the WBC, he dominated the WBA heavy division when American boxing had sunk to the septic depths of his dumps.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - And 3/4 of the cards were fixed with lucrative rematches to follow.

Finally banned from the WBC, he dominated the WBA heavy division when American boxing had sunk to the septic depths of his dumps.

"Banned from the WBC"

There's something wrong with that statement.

Room too small for that many egos or just not enough fighters to rob, to share fairly.

[Rosco3387]

To those who say Lewis didn't have a great resume all I can say you would have a tough time coming up with five heavyweights who had better in terms of # of title fights and title record, and quality of opposition fought. That is why I rate him highly.

Did he make good choices of where and when to fight his most famous opponents? Absolutely he did. And he was lucky to get the re-matches as well. You can punch holes into any heavyweights resume. What hurts Lewis is he was knocked out early twice by one punch early in the fights. Something that did not happen to other top the heavyweights with a resume if high standing. There are other things to nit pick at like he said he's give Vitali a re-match but did not when the WBC forced it on him, not doing well or fighting south paws, and dropping belts to Byrd / Ruiz rather then fighting them.

Just today Breadman in his column made a similar observation, something I have raised a few times myself lol... With the exception of the 70's and 90's one would be hard pressed to find a stacked heavyweight division. It is all in the Most High's plan lol... If you have an average size for a person, more people are average, hence more competition at the average weight/size. As people get bigger, farther from the earth, their balance, coordination, etc all is affected.

[Rosco3387]

Don king made some of the best cards in boxing history. What I hate about him in boxing is the fact that he cheated a lot of fighters of their hard earned money.

That is the diabolical truth!

[Willie Pep 229]

Just today Breadman in his column made a similar observation, something I have raised a few times myself lol... With the exception of the 70's and 90's one would be hard pressed to find a stacked heavyweight division. It is all in the Most High's plan lol... If you have an average size for a person, more people are average, hence more competition at the average weight/size. As people get bigger, farther from the earth, their balance, coordination, etc all is affected.

Just recently stumbled across a quote by Louis speaking of Abe Simon. It went something like 'For a big guy he was pretty good' - it was as if Louis expects 'big guys' to have less skills.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but it seemed an odd phrasing.