If Ali were never stripped of his title in 1967, could he have beaten Louis' record?

[boxingbuff]

If Ali would have fought Louis's opposition he would have easily broke the record.

[JAB5239]

If Ali would have fought Louis's opposition he would have easily broke the record.

.....Proof?

[boxingbuff]

.....Proof?

Louis never beat a top 15 Heavyweight.Well,maybe Walcott might sneak in.

Name a fighter that Louis beat that Ali would not have beat?

Remember,we are going on the assumption that Ali was fighting his best years

[JAB5239]

Louis never beat a top 15 Heavyweight.Well,maybe Walcott might sneak in.

Name a fighter that Louis beat that Ali would not have beat?

Remember,we are going on the assumption that Ali was fighting his best years

That isn't proof my friend. I have no doubt in my mind Louis would beat every fighter Ali beat. That doesn't make it real though. Louis had extended consistency even though his comp wasn't as good as Ali's. There is no telling if Ali could have had that same consistency. He probably would have. But that is neither proof nor fact.

[boxingbuff]

That isn't proof my friend. I have no doubt in my mind Louis would beat every fighter Ali beat. That doesn't make it real though. Louis had extended consistency even though his comp wasn't as good as Ali's. There is no telling if Ali could have had that same consistency. He probably would have. But that is neither proof nor fact.

You can't prove fantasy fights,or when going on speculation or assumptions.That's true.

Ali beat Foreman and Frazier AFTER his 3 1/2 year lay-off.Could Louis do so after such a lay-off?

[JAB5239]

You can't prove fantasy fights,or when going on speculation or assumptions.That's true.

Ali beat Foreman and Frazier AFTER his 3 1/2 year lay-off.Could Louis do so after such a lay-off?

I don't know but I'll say probably not. That doesn't mean Ali would just steam roll to 25 defenses in Louis era. You just don't know. It would be like me claiming Louis would have definitely had 40 successful defenses had WWII not occurred. There is a chance sure, but is there any proof? No.

[boxingbuff]

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I don't know but I'll say probably not. That doesn't mean Ali would just steam roll to 25 defenses in Louis era. You just don't know. It would be like me claiming Louis would have definitely had 40 successful defenses had WWII not occurred. There is a chance sure, but is there any proof? No.

What is better,50 defences against weak opposition or 20 defences against tough opposition? I will take the tough opposition.

[JAB5239]

What is better,50 defences against weak opposition or 20 defences against tough opposition? I will take the tough opposition.

Louis opposition wasn't weak though. If you believe that I'll ask you to do what another poster declined to do when this same argument was done before. Post 10 heavyweight champions with better resumes than Louis and why they're better. I'll be happy to make arguments at that point. Until than, just calling a mans title reign weak does not suffice.

[Titlist]

If Ali would have fought Louis's opposition he would have easily broke the record.

I agree.

Even though it was a pretty weak era of heavyweights, Louis gets his credit, because it was the best his era had to offer. But, I think Ali would've been able to beat all the fighters that Louis beat, as well.

He was faster, slicker, had better reflexes, a better chin and better footwork. The only thing he doesn't match up to Louis with was his punching power and combinations. But he would still be able to get the job done.

As for Ali beating the record in his respective era, maybe.

I had the past-prime Ali beating Frazier, in their first fight, as it was very close. So, I think, naturally, a prime Ali would've done a better job against Frazier.

The only fighter I think could give Ali trouble would be Norton, because of his style.

[JAB5239]

I agree.

Even though it was a pretty weak era of heavyweights, Louis gets his credit, because it was the best his era had to offer. But, I think Ali would've been able to beat all the fighters that Louis beat, as well.

He was faster, slicker, had better reflexes, a better chin and better footwork. The only thing he doesn't match up to Louis with was his punching power and combinations. But he would still be able to get the job done.

As for Ali beating the record in his respective era, maybe.

I had the past-prime Ali beating Frazier, in their first fight, as it was very close. So, I think, naturally, a prime Ali would've done a better job against Frazier.

The only fighter I think could give Ali trouble would be Norton, because of his style.

Lets look at this from another angle. No one would argue Ali didn't fight in the best heavyweight era. But Louis was also deprived more than 3 years of his career. Had he not been his defense total would probably be much higher. Do you think Ali going to match that in an era such as he fought? another thing to consider is if Ali had never have been banned would there have been an earlier onset of parkinson's than what actually occurred? We don't know, but chances are there just like they are of Ali getting 25 defenses in Louis era.