2010 Wladamir Klitschko vs 1992 Rid**** Bowe

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  • JAB5239
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    #51
    Originally posted by Jim Jeffries
    Fair enough, like I said, I think Bowe is a tough match up for Wlad. And I know Wlad gets underrated on these forums, but Jorge Luis fricken Gonzales he's not. Gonzales' chin makes Wlad's look like Chuvalo's.
    No Wlad is definitely not Gonzalez.

    On a lighter note...I see you just passed 16,000 posts. Cong****, That's a lot of posts! Its my experience here that most posters don't get passed 6,000 posts let alone 16,000. That says something good my man.

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    • Jim Jeffries
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      #52
      Originally posted by JAB5239
      No Wlad is definitely not Gonzalez.

      On a lighter note...I see you just passed 16,000 posts. Cong****, That's a lot of posts! Its my experience here that most posters don't get passed 6,000 posts let alone 16,000. That says something good my man.
      Thanks Jab. Yeah 16K posts without a ban, not too shabby, especially with the handful of people that chase me around trying to flame. I don't post in NSB nearly as much as I used to, it's a war zone in there, lol. But the lounge and here, there's some good and knowledgeable peeps, like yourself.

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        #53
        Originally posted by JAB5239
        Im not worried about credibility for one, and for two I never compared the two as fighters, only how I think the fight would turn out. The FACTS are that Wlad has crumbled to much lesser fighters than Bowe. The FACTS are Wlad has never been in a war against a fighter of Bowe's caliber where as Bowe has beaten a prime all time great to prove his toughness and determination. Fact is every time Wlad faced extreme adversity he lost. Do you care to argue this?
        Obviously not. You should if you want people to take you seriously, But you have been on BS for awhile now so I'll give you a pass.LOL. Wlad is 54-3 with 48KO's. Beat one guy who defeated him(Brewster) who Wlad had in the bag as well as Purrity before he ran out of gas. The only man who beat him was Sanders who he admittedly took lightly, And Brother Vitali beat the snot out of Sanders before Wlad could get a rematch with him. Beats guys with such ease. 92' Bowe was a very good fighter but a 2000-2010 Wlad beats him imo. Don't act like Wlad has 10 losses or so. He's dominated at all level of boxing.

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          #54
          Originally posted by theghost#1
          Obviously not. You should if you want people to take you seriously, But you have been on BS for awhile now so I'll give you a pass.LOL. Wlad is 54-3 with 48KO's. Beat one guy who defeated him(Brewster) who Wlad had in the bag as well as Purrity before he ran out of gas. The only man who beat him was Sanders who he admittedly took lightly, And Brother Vitali beat the snot out of Sanders before Wlad could get a rematch with him. Beats guys with such ease. 92' Bowe was a very good fighter but a 2000-2010 Wlad beats him imo. Don't act like Wlad has 10 losses or so. He's dominated at all level of boxing.
          im a wlad fan,but i cant see him winning this fight.golota/bowe was like tyson douglas.golota foght the fight of his career for 1 night only.thing is bowe took a beating,but he was able to take it.wlad has never been beaten up yet he's still been ko'd by a d level fighter and 2 B level guys at best.if worst came to it,we know rid**** can take a beating,and wlad would have to work alot harder to keep bowe off him then ever before.even sam peter was able to catch up to him.gotta figure bowe is gonna land at least 10-15 quality shots and wlad has been put away by less

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            #55
            Originally posted by theghost#1
            Obviously not. You should if you want people to take you seriously, But you have been on BS for awhile now so I'll give you a pass.LOL.
            Well I do appreciate that. Thank you.
            Wlad is 54-3 with 48KO's. Beat one guy who defeated him(Brewster) who Wlad had in the bag as well as Purrity before he ran out of gas. The only man who beat him was Sanders who he admittedly took lightly, And Brother Vitali beat the snot out of Sanders before Wlad could get a rematch with him. Beats guys with such ease. 92' Bowe was a very good fighter but a 2000-2010 Wlad beats him imo. Don't act like Wlad has 10 losses or so. He's dominated at all level of boxing.
            You can have your opinion, thats fine. I can even respect it without agreeing. But I think you are severely overrating Wlad in this particular match up. Is Wlad getting better or is his comp getting softer? That seems to be the biggest question here. In my opinion its getting worse This is no fault of Wlads, but Im not gonna play blind man and overrate him either. Less than 5 years ago, while in his prime, Wlad had all sorts of problems with a slow, crude Sam Peter. How in Gods name is he going to deal with a prime, in shape 1992 Rid**** Bowe? I just can't see it happening.

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              #56
              Originally posted by r.burgundy
              im a wlad fan,but i cant see him winning this fight.golota/bowe was like tyson douglas.golota foght the fight of his career for 1 night only.thing is bowe took a beating,but he was able to take it.wlad has never been beaten up yet he's still been ko'd by a d level fighter and 2 B level guys at best.if worst came to it,we know rid**** can take a beating,and wlad would have to work alot harder to keep bowe off him then ever before.even sam peter was able to catch up to him.gotta figure bowe is gonna land at least 10-15 quality shots and wlad has been put away by less

              This is a really good post, Ron.

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                #57
                Originally posted by r.burgundy
                im a wlad fan,but i cant see him winning this fight.golota/bowe was like tyson douglas.golota foght the fight of his career for 1 night only.thing is bowe took a beating,but he was able to take it.wlad has never been beaten up yet he's still been ko'd by a d level fighter and 2 B level guys at best.if worst came to it,we know rid**** can take a beating,and wlad would have to work alot harder to keep bowe off him then ever before.even sam peter was able to catch up to him.gotta figure bowe is gonna land at least 10-15 quality shots and wlad has been put away by less
                Golota and Bowe fought 2x with the same results so you can't say Golota fought the fight of his life. Wlad has never been down and out only lost fights due to running out of gas after beating the snot out of his opponents.Rematched and beat Brewster with one hand behind his back. I've said before Sanders was the only legit loss IMO. One came when he was still a prospect. Bowe level of comp is def not better then Wlad's overall even with the wins over Holy.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by JAB5239
                  You can have your opinion, thats fine. I can even respect it without agreeing. But I think you are severely overrating Wlad in this particular match up. Is Wlad getting better or is his comp getting softer? That seems to be the biggest question here. In my opinion its getting worse This is no fault of Wlads, but Im not gonna play blind man and overrate him either. Less than 5 years ago, while in his prime, Wlad had all sorts of problems with a slow, crude Sam Peter. How in Gods name is he going to deal with a prime, in shape 1992 Rid**** Bowe? I just can't see it happening.
                  Wlad won almost every RD in that fight. Almost Kayoing Peter in the 12th

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                  • JAB5239
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by theghost#1
                    Wlad won almost every RD in that fight. Almost Kayoing Peter in the 12th

                    He was also dropped 3 times by a slow, crude fighter with overrate punching power, imo. What does a focused and in shape Bowe, who had true punching power do to him? What Im saying is, if Peter could get inside and do damage than Bowe should be able to even easier, no? And if he does wouldn't you agree Bowe is faster, stronger and a better fighter than Peter?

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                      #60
                      I make Bowe the favorite, but not with the utmost confidence. A slight favorite.

                      Bowe who would eat Wlad alive on the inside, but how much of the fight will take place there? Wlad is good at controlling the distance the fight is fought at. Another question is how much fighting in and out of the clinch the referee would allow.

                      Bowe had a lot of tools: good power, excellent in-fighter, nice jab, terrific uppercut, hard overhand right. However, his defense ****** for a world class fighter. He'd slip a shot here and there on the inside but was a total sucker for straight right hands and jabs. Coetzer hit him with consistency, so did Holyfield, of course later on so did Golota with frightening ease. While I think he'd slipped by the Golota fights, it isn't as if he was a good defender before then. He seemed to have a good chin, but didn't exactly face a lot of big punchers. When he did, he was often hurt because of how frequently and cleanly he got tagged. Holyfield (not a huge puncher but he's hurt many tough guys due to timing and accuracy) rocked him in the 10th round of the first fight, in the 5th in the rematch, and nearly took him out in the rubber match. Hide hurt Bowe everytime he hit him clean. If Golota wasn't such a ****ty finisher, he would've stopped Bowe.

                      I just wonder how many clean right hands Bowe would be able to take from Wladimir, or if he could stop him before Wlad stops him. Bowe of course had his own booming right hand, he could throw a straight one but seemed to prefer an overhand one, sort of like the one Tim Witherspoon liked to use. In this case due to Wladimir's height, it might be ideal for him to throw it at that angle.

                      In no small part due to his right hand I favor Bowe, but again, not with that much confidence. I'd call it like a 60/40 fight.

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