I dont get Harry Greb's boxing Record

[r.burgundy]

How about these guys.....

Gene Tunney observed, “Greb could move like a phantom and had ring cunning far beyond estimates made of him in the press.”

Such was Tunney’s admiration for Harry, he was a pall bearer at Greb’s funeral.
Jack Dempsey described Greb as the fastest fighter he ever saw. Irish ace Jimmy McLarnin said, “If you thought I was great, you should have seen Harry Greb.”

They probably didn't know ****, right?

he probally hadnt seen roy jones if he thought greb was the fastest he's seen
i dont think irish jimmy was great

[EzzardFan]

The book "The fearless Harry Greb", is it worth buying? I've been contemplating it for a couple of weeks but have heard mixed reviews on it. I got no new books at the moment so Im reading Barney Ross' biography again.

It's worth it for the photos alone, but the writing is a little amateurish. It appears to be well researched and it is on Greb. You won't be disappointed but you won't be blown away either.

Recently I've read:

The Arc of Boxing is the best thing I've read in years. If you haven't already read this then I cannot recommend it enough.

Angelo Dundee's book which was really good. Very funny in places. Great Quotes.

Just finished The Onion Picker which gave a much broader overview of 50s boxing than anticipated.

The Jack Johnson book Unforgivable Blackness was pretty good but a little long winded. I'm guessing you've already read this though.

The new Sam Langford book Boxing's Greatest Uncrowned Champion was OK but a little dry.

Read two Archie Moore bios, The Ageless Warrior is the better of the two from a boxing perspective, nicely written and reads like the wind.

Sonny Liston: His Life, Strife and the Phantom Punch was a bit dull.

Being Sugar Ray: The Life of Sugar Ray Robinson didn't have enough boxing in it for my liking. Should have been much better.

Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times was pretty decent.

If I can recall any others then I'll post them up somewhere but those are the one's that most spring to mind.

[r.burgundy]

To the best of my knowledge only two books have been written that deal solely with Greb. I have a copy of this one and yes I've read all of it:

http://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Harry...0419910&sr=8-1

I read it about two years back, it's an in depth study of both the man and the boxer.

From recall Greb had three major flaws:

1) He fought for 5 years whilst blind in one eye.
2) In order to achieve this he had to perfect a perpetual motion hit and move and hit and move style that never kept him in one place long enough to catch. He had to do this because he couldn't see the punches coming from certain angles so he kept moving because a moving target is harder to hit. If you only have one eye then keeping moving also helps resolve any depth perspective issues. This style prevented him from planting his feet and getting set to tee-off with a big punch. As a result of this he rarely KO'd anyone in his later career which is why many of his fights either ended by TKO or went the distance.
3) Like Charley Burley he was considered to be "too good" and "too dangerous" and the guys holding the titles ducked him. If you look back up the thread you'll see from where I posted his ring time that he only ever got one world title shot (where he too the MW title) close to the end of his career. In those days there were less divisions (no super middleweight or cruiserweight) and Greb, who was a natural MW had to go up the divisions in order to find opponents. The LHW champion was Carpentier and he avoided Greb like the plague. The HW champion was Dempsey and we've already discussed that situation. Hence Greb ended up fighting much bigger men at LHW and HW, and he beat pretty much all of them except Tiger Flowers (twice) and there's some controversy over the second of those decisions.

I would highly recommend that you read the book that I linked to, it's a great story. Unfortunately there's no DVD to accompany it, but there are lots of pictures and if you flick through it really fast then this kind of looks like TV

did i miss something here?where are the 3 flaws?he's blind ok.
but his 2nd flaw is he was just to good lmao
get serious

[JAB5239]

dude,if you havent read anything other than whats on boxrec,that is fine.no need for the oscar job.

youve sat here and debated for a whole thread now.why not just prove a simple point since thats what your trying to do.stop making excuses for your lack of knowledge.telling me a source,or author,or historian who criticized greb isnt ding my research.

You questioning my knowledge is a joke since I've completely destroyed you in this thread and the other one. Want proof? How many more people are in agreement with than with you? Who provides the facts here and who provides the conjecture?

[JAB5239]

It's worth it for the photos alone, but the writing is a little amateurish. It appears to be well researched and it is on Greb. You won't be disappointed but you won't be blown away either.

Recently I've read:

The Arc of Boxing is the best thing I've read in years. If you haven't already read this then I cannot recommend it enough.

Angelo Dundee's book which was really good. Very funny in places. Great Quotes.

Just finished The Onion Picker which gave a much broader overview of 50s boxing than anticipated.

The Jack Johnson book Unforgivable Blackness was pretty good but a little long winded. I'm guessing you've already read this though.

The new Sam Langford book Boxing's Greatest Uncrowned Champion was OK but a little dry.

Read two Archie Moore bios, The Ageless Warrior is the better of the two from a boxing perspective, nicely written and reads like the wind.

Sonny Liston: His Life, Strife and the Phantom Punch was a bit dull.

Being Sugar Ray: The Life of Sugar Ray Robinson didn't have enough boxing in it for my liking. Should have been much better.

Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times was pretty decent.

If I can recall any others then I'll post them up somewhere but those are the one's that most spring to mind.

The Onion Picker is another one I am really interested in. Have you read Don King: His life and crimes? Excellent book that also gives an in depth look at the seedy side of the sport.

[r.burgundy]

You questioning my knowledge is a joke since I've completely destroyed you in this thread and the other one. Want proof? How many more people are in agreement with than with you? Who provides the facts here and who provides the conjecture?

lmao.dude your shwoing what a goof ball you really are.only facts are that niether me,you,nor anybody who agrees with you have seen greb.thats a fact

i asked you point in the direction of some objective pieces on greb,neither you or ezzard can do that.that is a fact

last fact here is that there are disagreements about grebs record on certain fights,and you only have boxrec and google just like i do to try and get through the b.s

so keep believing in the tooth fairy.nite nite kiddy

[JAB5239]

lmao.dude your shwoing what a goof ball you really are.only facts are that niether me,you,nor anybody who agrees with you have seen greb.thats a fact

It is a fact that some very respected and prominent people in and around boxing thought very, very highly of Greb yet you seem to put their opinions to the wayside because it doesn't suit your agenda. I mean it HAS to be a giant conspiracy where everybody is giving this guy his just do, right?

i asked you point in the direction of some objective pieces on greb,neither you or ezzard can do that.that is a fact

It is a fact that you were pointed in the right direction but as Poet pointed out you're to lazy to do the research yourself.

last fact here is that there are disagreements about grebs record on certain fights,and you only have boxrec and google just like i do to try and get through the b.s

Common sense and logic go a long ways kid. Maybe you should try it.

so keep believing in the tooth fairy.nite nite kiddy

Thats it? This is the best you got?

[r.burgundy]

Thats it? This is the best you got?

lolyou just dont seem to get it but i see the problem here.the problem is you have a soldier mentality.you follow orders and protocol.thats fine,but i dont live that way.all you care about is what others think.cant live your life full of other peoples ideas junior.ive said greb was likely a good fighter,but would i put him ahead of mw's like hopkins,monzon and hagler.absolutely not.would he beat lhw like jones,holy,quawi,spinks.i dont see anyway possible

as far as poiting me in the direction of google thanks a mil lol.like i said,no need to lie on a forum.you have yet to say 1 historian who spoke objectively of greb.you nor ezzard who is way ahead of you in his greb history

so like i said.post some real facts,like who spoke objectivley of greb or just chill out and stop lying.its really not that serious

[JAB5239]

lolyou just dont seem to get it but i see the problem here.the problem is you have a soldier mentality.you follow orders and protocol.thats fine,but i dont live that way.all you care about is what others think.cant live your life full of other peoples ideas junior.ive said greb was likely a good fighter,but would i put him ahead of mw's like hopkins,monzon and hagler.absolutely not.would he beat lhw like jones,holy,quawi,spinks.i dont see anyway possible

as far as poiting me in the direction of google thanks a mil lol.like i said,no need to lie on a forum.you have yet to say 1 historian who spoke objectively of greb.you nor ezzard who is way ahead of you in his greb history

so like i said.post some real facts,like who spoke objectivley of greb or just chill out and stop lying.its really not that serious

You can find plenty of people speaking objectively if you look. You'd rather remain in the dark than admit you're wrong though.

And you can say whatever you want about me but realize one thing.....Im the one who has turned you into a complete joke on this board.

[r.burgundy]

You can find plenty of people speaking objectively if you look. You'd rather remain in the dark than admit you're wrong though.

And you can say whatever you want about me but realize one thing.....Im the one who has turned you into a complete joke on this board.

and im asking you to name 1 person whom you have "looked" at.is that so hard lol.well it wouldnt be hard if you werent lying through your keyboard

lmao.are you serious?your acting like this is a title bout.its not that serious.stop living out your dreams of boxing stardom on the net.nothing more or less.im having a good time.my friends arent heavy into boxing as i am so i dont get to talk much about it