I dont get Harry Greb's boxing Record

[r.burgundy]

Oh, so you saw him use it and came to the conclusion he invented it, is that it? I mean you did say he invented it, right? Should I pull that post up?

yes.thats what i said.im sure google might tell another story,but please dont act as if you have some divine knowledge to prove that wrong.and i thought i used the word "likely".feel free to find the post

[JAB5239]

and this why you cant be taken serious.we know ruiz is weaker than the rest because we have seen him,and he was the smallest.you refuse to acknowledge the fact that greb could have a list of ruiz's on his resume.

Now you're just making things up to save face. I never said this at all. Truth is its possible. But the fact remains that Greb was beating more highly thought of comp in his era and that is all you can judge a fighter on.

i dont understand your 2nd partare you asking if greb beats the rings #3 is that better than beating a champ who is ranked lower?

.............Exactly.

[r.burgundy]

.............Exactly.

the problem here is that it seems that you have more respect for others opinions than you do your own.were all human,we all have biases.i dont put a ton of stock in rankings of guys i havent seen or cant get video of

but if ruiz was the champ with the lower rank and 45 year old holy was #3 then i would go with ruiz being the better win

[JAB5239]

the problem here is that it seems that you have more respect for others opinions than you do your own.

I have great respect for peoples opinions who know what they're talking about, and many of them I have to put over my own because I can admit they know more about the sport than myself.

were all human,we all have biases.i dont put a ton of stock in rankings of guys i havent seen or cant get video of

And you refuse to accept the word of people who did see them and who know more about this sport than yourself. Doesn't make any sense.

but if ruiz was the champ with the lower rank and 45 year old holy was #3 then i would go with ruiz being the better win

Ok, whatever.

[r.burgundy]

Ok, whatever.

your missing the point dude.
i have respect for bert sugars knowledge of the sport,but i lose that respect when says floyd mayweather isnt 1 of the 100 greatest boxers and he has guys on that list from the 15th century.just cause somebody knows more about the 50's doesnt mean that they have more knowledge of the 90's.and it damn sure doesnt make an opinion on a fantsy fight more valid

[JAB5239]

your missing the point dude.
i have respect for bert sugars knowledge of the sport,but i lose that respect when says floyd mayweather isnt 1 of the 100 greatest boxers and he has guys on that list from the 15th century.just cause somebody knows more about the 50's doesnt mean that they have more knowledge of the 90's.and it damn sure doesnt make an opinion on a fantsy fight more valid

You're using one guy (Sugar) to stereotype every boxing historian, expert or trainer who has seen the fighters from the past or is well versed in their careers to dismiss their opinions. (shaking my head) tsk, tsk, tsk.

[StarshipTrooper]

You're using one guy (Sugar) to stereotype every boxing historian, expert or trainer who has seen the fighters from the past or is well versed in their careers to dismiss their opinions. (shaking my head) tsk, tsk, tsk.

"We don't need no education....." I'm betting he was one of those dip****s who thought all his teachers were idiots back in High School. "Don't teach me nothin'......you don't know **** old man"

Poet

[r.burgundy]

You're using one guy (Sugar) to stereotype every boxing historian, expert or trainer who has seen the fighters from the past or is well versed in their careers to dismiss their opinions. (shaking my head) tsk, tsk, tsk.

well,since your so wise point me towards some who criticize these fighters,or have talk about their flaws.

look around in thisthread.all you yahoo's praising greb have never seen him fight yet i should take your opinion serious?you are the same as bert.read a book and think you know the whole story,and then try and force others to except the same nonsense

[JAB5239]

well,since your so wise point me towards some who criticize these fighters,or have talk about their flaws.

look around in thisthread.all you yahoo's praising greb have never seen him fight yet i should take your opinion serious?you are the same as bert.read a book and think you know the whole story,and then try and force others to except the same nonsense

I don't think I know the whole story and if you want to read about his flaws pick out any newspaper article talking in depth about any particular fight. In other words, do some research instead of keeping yourself in the dark and using that as an excuse. It won't matter though because everyone else is wrong and you're the only one with his finger on the pulse, right? You haven't seen him fight yet label him overrated and dismiss the opinions of those who did see him. Yeah, that makes sense.

[r.burgundy]

I don't think I know the whole story and if you want to read about his flaws pick out any newspaper article talking in depth about any particular fight. In other words, do some research instead of keeping yourself in the dark and using that as an excuse. It won't matter though because everyone else is wrong and you're the only one with his finger on the pulse, right? You haven't seen him fight yet label him overrated and dismiss the opinions of those who did see him. Yeah, that makes sense.

i dint think you would be capable of pointing me in that direction,but what books have you read that speak on his weaknesses.i'll wait

it makes about as much sense for me to act as if he's the best thing since sliced bread acting as if everybody who saw him as the utmost integrity and credibility.that sure as hell makes alotta sense