I dont get Harry Greb's boxing Record

[JAB5239]

i dint think you would be capable of pointing me in that direction,but what books have you read that speak on his weaknesses.i'll wait

Name me a book that speaks about any fighters specific weaknesses. I'll wait. Intelligent people put pieces of a puzzle together to form an opinion, they don't just say it isn't true if I can't see it.

it makes about as much sense for me to act as if he's the best thing since sliced bread acting as if everybody who saw him as the utmost integrity and credibility.that sure as hell makes alotta sense

So even though hundreds, maybe thousands of people who saw Greb came to the same opinion they're all liars and none of them credible? You really are4 a tool.

[StarshipTrooper]

i dint think you would be capable of pointing me in that direction,but what books have you read that speak on his weaknesses.i'll wait

it makes about as much sense for me to act as if he's the best thing since sliced bread acting as if everybody who saw him as the utmost integrity and credibility.that sure as hell makes alotta sense

He pointed you in the right direction you're just too ****ing lazy to make the effort.

Poet

[r.burgundy]

So even though hundreds, maybe thousands of people who saw Greb came to the same opinion they're all liars and none of them credible? You really are4 a tool.

lol good lord stop avoiding questions.what books have you read that talk of his flaws?i will gladly read them also

what historian talks of his flaws,i will gladly like to listen to his opinion lol

if you havent heard or read any,then just say so.no need to pretend

[JAB5239]

lol good lord stop avoiding questions.what books have you read that talk of his flaws?i will gladly read them also

what historian talks of his flaws,i will gladly like to listen to his opinion lol

if you havent heard or read any,then just say so.no need to pretend

If you can name one book that specifically concentrates on any one fighters flaws I'll be happy to give you an answer. Till then we go by by books, magazine and newspaper articles to form opinions. Plenty of those out there if you're willing to put in the work. I can think of three fights in particular where Greb was questioned, Tunney V, One of the Flowers fights and the Laughran fight. I'd bet there were more if I really wanted to dig deep, but that isn't my job to do your research.

[EzzardFan]

lol good lord stop avoiding questions.what books have you read that talk of his flaws?i will gladly read them also

what historian talks of his flaws,i will gladly like to listen to his opinion lol

if you havent heard or read any,then just say so.no need to pretend

To the best of my knowledge only two books have been written that deal solely with Greb. I have a copy of this one and yes I've read all of it:

http://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Harry...0419910&sr=8-1

I read it about two years back, it's an in depth study of both the man and the boxer.

From recall Greb had three major flaws:

1) He fought for 5 years whilst blind in one eye.
2) In order to achieve this he had to perfect a perpetual motion hit and move and hit and move style that never kept him in one place long enough to catch. He had to do this because he couldn't see the punches coming from certain angles so he kept moving because a moving target is harder to hit. If you only have one eye then keeping moving also helps resolve any depth perspective issues. This style prevented him from planting his feet and getting set to tee-off with a big punch. As a result of this he rarely KO'd anyone in his later career which is why many of his fights either ended by TKO or went the distance.
3) Like Charley Burley he was considered to be "too good" and "too dangerous" and the guys holding the titles ducked him. If you look back up the thread you'll see from where I posted his ring time that he only ever got one world title shot (where he too the MW title) close to the end of his career. In those days there were less divisions (no super middleweight or cruiserweight) and Greb, who was a natural MW had to go up the divisions in order to find opponents. The LHW champion was Carpentier and he avoided Greb like the plague. The HW champion was Dempsey and we've already discussed that situation. Hence Greb ended up fighting much bigger men at LHW and HW, and he beat pretty much all of them except Tiger Flowers (twice) and there's some controversy over the second of those decisions.

I would highly recommend that you read the book that I linked to, it's a great story. Unfortunately there's no DVD to accompany it, but there are lots of pictures and if you flick through it really fast then this kind of looks like TV

[JAB5239]

To the best of my knowledge only two books have been written that deal solely with Greb. I have a copy of this one and yes I've read all of it:

http://www.amazon.com/Fearless-Harry...0419910&sr=8-1

I read it about two years back, it's an in depth study of both the man and the boxer.

From recall Greb had three major flaws:

1) He fought for 5 years whilst blind in one eye.
2) In order to achieve this he had to perfect a perpetual motion hit and move and hit and move style that never kept him in one place long enough to catch. He had to do this because he couldn't see the punches coming from certain angles so he kept moving because a moving target is harder to hit. If you only have one eye then keeping moving also helps resolve any depth perspective issues. This style prevented him from planting his feet and getting set to tee-off with a big punch. As a result of this he rarely KO'd anyone in his later career which is why many of his fights either ended by TKO or went the distance.
3) Like Charley Burley he was considered to be "too good" and "too dangerous" and the guys holding the titles ducked him. If you look back up the thread you'll see from where I posted his ring time that he only ever got one world title shot (where he too the MW title) close to the end of his career. In those days there were less divisions (no super middleweight or cruiserweight) and Greb, who was a natural MW had to go up the divisions in order to find opponents. The LHW champion was Carpentier and he avoided Greb like the plague. The HW champion was Dempsey and we've already discussed that situation. Hence Greb ended up fighting much bigger men at LHW and HW, and he beat pretty much all of them except Tiger Flowers (twice) and there's some controversy over the second of those decisions.

I would highly recommend that you read the book that I linked to, it's a great story. Unfortunately there's no DVD to accompany it, but there are lots of pictures and if you flick through it really fast then this kind of looks like TV

Amongst this book, would you not say there were at least hundreds to thousands of articles written that also pointed to these flaws as well as questioning some of Grebs fights and tactics in the ring?

[EzzardFan]

Amongst this book, would you not say there were at least hundreds to thousands of articles written that also pointed to these flaws as well as questioning some of Grebs fights and tactics in the ring?

Oh hell yeah, you just have to google him

And as you have hinted, I should have added that his dirty tactics were considered by many to be a flaw, although Greb himself wouldn't have seen it that way LOL.

I think we are all on a hiding to nothing here as r.burgundy seems to lack comprehension. Obviously I shouldn't really state that without seeing video footage of him walking and chewing gum at the same time though.

It's been great fun talking about Greb though Made me realise (again) just what a great fighter he was, and I've moved him up my ATG list as a result of the debate in this thread.

[JAB5239]

Oh hell yeah, you just have to google him

And as you have hinted, I should have added that his dirty tactics were considered by many to be a flaw, although Greb himself wouldn't have seen it that way LOL.

I think we are all on a hiding to nothing here as r.burgundy seems to lack comprehension. Obviously I shouldn't really state that without seeing video footage of him walking and chewing gum at the same time though.

It's been great fun talking about Greb though Made me realise (again) just what a great fighter he was, and I've moved him up my ATG list as a result of the debate in this thread.

The book "The fearless Harry Greb", is it worth buying? I've been contemplating it for a couple of weeks but have heard mixed reviews on it. I got no new books at the moment so Im reading Barney Ross' biography again.

[JAB5239]

Who are these "old timers" who don't talk objectively? Futch? Arcel? Every boxing historian? Who?

How about these guys.....

Gene Tunney observed, “Greb could move like a phantom and had ring cunning far beyond estimates made of him in the press.”

Such was Tunney’s admiration for Harry, he was a pall bearer at Greb’s funeral.
Jack Dempsey described Greb as the fastest fighter he ever saw. Irish ace Jimmy McLarnin said, “If you thought I was great, you should have seen Harry Greb.”

They probably didn't know ****, right?

[r.burgundy]

If you can name one book that specifically concentrates on any one fighters flaws I'll be happy to give you an answer. Till then we go by by books, magazine and newspaper articles to form opinions. Plenty of those out there if you're willing to put in the work. I can think of three fights in particular where Greb was questioned, Tunney V, One of the Flowers fights and the Laughran fight. I'd bet there were more if I really wanted to dig deep, but that isn't my job to do your research.

dude,if you havent read anything other than whats on boxrec,that is fine.no need for the oscar job.

youve sat here and debated for a whole thread now.why not just prove a simple point since thats what your trying to do.stop making excuses for your lack of knowledge.telling me a source,or author,or historian who criticized greb isnt ding my research.