How High do You rate Jack Johnson in your ATG heavyweight list?

[crold1]

Clottey looked unscathed and had barely broken a sweat against Pacquiao (whose face was swollen and marked) last week, but you'd have to be pretty generous to give him more than a round. Perhaps if Josh or Jack had tried harder, they'd have gotten the win.

Johnson wasn't lynched for the other white fighters he beat (or white women he dated,) so your "probably" doesn't hold any weight at all. Just more revisionist history.

A thread at CBZ covered this a while back with some links back to news coverage of the times which HEAVILY FAVORED an easy Johnson win: http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzfo...ead.php?t=6705

[StarshipTrooper]

Lack of a chin? Much like Louis, right?

Louis didn't gety KTFO by Ross ****ing Purrity.

He doesn't have a lack of stamina or toughness.

Yes he does. Guess you didn't watch the first Brewster fight huh? You know, the one where Wlad gassed?

Since when does a fighter's work-rate decide whether or not he's a great fighter?

Maybe since one actually has to SCORE to win fights? Fighters lose all the time because they get out-worked by opponents.

Schmeling was past his prime. And no one is saying that Wladimir is better than Louis.

Then don't bring Louis up in the first place.

And I would say that Wladimir's opponents seem to look in much better condition than the average looking Joe's that Louis fought.

Louis' era was far from average. In terms of physical condition, this era is better than Louis'.

Guess you haven't been watching Heavyweight boxing since you're trying to pass off the obese tubs of goo that qualify as "Heavyweight Contenders" these days as being in "superior condition" to those of the 40s. Go Google a photo of Buddy Baer and compare his physique to that of Lamon Brewster......'nuff said.

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[T.Horton]

Enlighten me please, oh wise one. And by all means, dispute anything I posted.


How do people penalize Jack Dempsey for not fighting black fighters and give Jack Johson, who avoided them like the plague for the 6 1/2 years he was champ, a free pass?

Johnson was the complete antithesis of a great American like Joe Louis. To have JJ as a top 3 ATG HW must surely be a joke.

this topic seems to make you far too emotional.

[Fiasco]

Louis didn't gety KTFO by Ross ****ing Purrity.

Wladimir didn't get knocked down against Galento.

Yes he does. Guess you didn't watch the first Brewster fight huh? You know, the one where Wlad gassed?

What about in his recent fights? Any signs of stamina problems? Didn't think so.

Maybe since one actually has to SCORE to win fights? Fighters lose all the time because they get out-worked by opponents.

Except Wladimir keeps his opponents at bay. He's also the one that lands more punches, between him and his opponents.

Then don't bring Louis up in the first place.

Then don't try and discredit Wladimir for fighting in a weak era, when Louis did too. Don't try and discredit Wladimir for not having a great chin, when Louis didn't have one, as well.

Guess you haven't been watching Heavyweight boxing since you're trying to pass off the obese tubs of goo that qualify as "Heavyweight Contenders" these days as being in "superior condition" to those of the 40s. Go Google a photo of Buddy Baer and compare his physique to that of Lamon Brewster......'nuff said.[/QUOTE]

You're comparing his physical condition:



To his:



???

Wow. No more discussions, with you. You clearly haven't grasped the concept of reality.

[Jim Jeffries]

this topic seems to make you far too emotional.

Not in the slightest.

You're a guy who has him at 3. Maybe you could give me some insight as to why? Because try as I might, I just don't see it. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just here to educate myself from those more knowledgeable on the subject.

Instead I keep getting attacked. Even worse, by people that so far have contributed zero to this thread, like yourself.

[Calilloyd]

Clottey looked unscathed and had barely broken a sweat against Pacquiao (whose face was swollen and marked) last week, but you'd have to be pretty generous to give him more than a round. Perhaps if Josh or Jack had tried harder, they'd have gotten the win.

Johnson wasn't lynched for the other white fighters he beat (or white women he dated,) so your "probably" doesn't hold any weight at all. Just more revisionist history.

No, he was just run out of the country by the bogus "mann act". More revisionist ignorance from you. But I don't expect much from a guy who still calls Muhammad Ali "Clay".

[Calilloyd]

Enlighten me please, oh wise one. And by all means, dispute anything I posted.


How do people penalize Jack Dempsey for not fighting black fighters and give Jack Johson, who avoided them like the plague for the 6 1/2 years he was champ, a free pass?

Johnson was the complete antithesis of a great American like Joe Louis. To have JJ as a top 3 ATG HW must surely be a joke.

Your agenda is clear. Joe Louis was a "great American" but Johnson wasn't? Pleae explain. I would love to see you dig a hole for yourself here lol.

[Jim Jeffries]

No, he was just run out of the country by the bogus "mann act". More revisionist ignorance from you. But I don't expect much from a guy who still calls Muhammad Ali "Clay".

That's not exactly lynching, now is it?

I don't call Ali Clay, I just don't think a guy deserved to be almost blinded for doing so.

Your agenda is clear. Joe Louis was a "great American" but Johnson wasn't? Pleae explain. I would love to see you dig a hole for yourself here lol.

Simple. Louis undid the decades of damage that Johnson did for black fighters in the sport. Johnson went out of his way to make whites hate him and provoke racism. Louis had more white fans than black.

Are you seriously comparing their impact on the sport?

If your intention is to continue to flame me, take it to the Dome.

[Southpaw16BF]

Very Highly

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/johnson.html

[Calilloyd]

That's not exactly lynching, now is it?

I don't call Ali Clay, I just don't think a guy deserved to be almost blinded for doing so.



Simple. Louis undid the decades of damage that Johnson did for black fighters in the sport. Johnson went out of his way to make whites hate him and provoke racism. Louis had more white fans than black.


Are you seriously comparing their impact on the sport?

If your intention is to continue to flame me, take it to the Dome.

Oh I see. Getting run out of the country on bogus charges was ok because he wasn't "lynched". Johnson "made" whites hate him. It was Johnson's fault that racist people hated him for living as he pleased? It was Johnson's fault that black fighters were shut out from title shots? Joe Louis was a hero to the black community so I don't know what your implication there is. Also, Joe Louis lived during the era of segregation. So your theory that "everybody loved Louis and everything was great" shows how ****** you really are. Even more so than I thought. And you still haven't explained what made Jack Johnson less "American" than Louis? Also, your evaluation of Johnson's boxing career shows you don't know much about boxing history either. Johnson fought of the black fighters you claim he "ducked" when he held the "black heavyweight championship". When Johnson won the world heavyweight championship, it was pretty clear that a fight between a black fighter and a white fighter would generate far more money than a fight between two black fighters. And yes I do compare their "impact" on the sport. Johnson's impact on the sport was huge. Too bad that you're too ignorant to realize that. I'll debate you in here. I don't go to the "dome"