Bert Sugar ''Willie Pep Is A Greater Fighter Than Muhammad Ali''

[Spartacus Sully]

Ali was a good boxer but he talked alittle to much for my liking.

ever hear that adage if your something you dont need to go around telling people constantly. like you ever have that drunk friend that wants to leave so he keeps telling you hes not drunk when he obliviously is.

ali is that drunk friend telling everybody hes the greatest. in that he usually makes it home or wins regardless of how much of a close call it is for him people start to believe what he says meanwhile hes still that drunk friend riding on luck.

sure he was a great boxer and his competition was good but he knew he was no better at what he did in the ring then demsey was at what he did in the ring or as how good louis was at what he did in the ring.

amongst all the other greats of the past 100 years or so ali wasnt really anything special besides the size of his mouth. i definately have to go with pep on this one.

[Rolling Stone]

Im not putting Ali down in any way. But don't act like he was the only one to do these things, because that is simply untrue.

wasn't the only one to do these things???? huh??? what do you mean??? is there a faster moving heavyweight than Muhammad Ali???? please tell me cause i am yet to see one

[Rolling Stone]

Ali was a good boxer but he talked alittle to much for my liking.

ever hear that adage if your something you dont need to go around telling people constantly. like you ever have that drunk friend that wants to leave so he keeps telling you hes not drunk when he obliviously is.

ali is that drunk friend telling everybody hes the greatest. in that he usually makes it home or wins regardless of how much of a close call it is for him people start to believe what he says meanwhile hes still that drunk friend riding on luck.

sure he was a great boxer and his competition was good but he knew he was no better at what he did in the ring then demsey was at what he did in the ring or as how good louis was at what he did in the ring.

amongst all the other greats of the past 100 years or so ali wasnt really anything special besides the size of his mouth. i definately have to go with pep on this one.

your entire post was centred around Ali's 'mouth' so i will stick to the topic......Muhammad Ali was the greatest self promoter of all time.....he talked alot of trash cause he knew it sold tickets and raised interest, although a few of his quips might have been to psyche his opponent out also.......

to basically sum up your post, Muhammad Ali was a loudmouth because he knew he wasn't better than Dempsey or Louis....yeah right mate

[JAB5239]

HAHHAHHAHAH....sorry mate i didn't mean to laugh....your opinion is your opinion and i have to respect that....if you honestly believe 10 fighters are better than Ali well.......

The only fighter i rank higher than Ali is Ray Robinson and you can make a case for Henry Armstrong too......

i'm sure you've seen this list before, its the International Boxing Research Organization's Top 25 Greatest Fighters of All Time.....

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Roberto Duran
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Bob Fitzsimmons
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Ray Leonard
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Eder Jofre
16. Mickey Walker
17. Archie Moore
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Jack Johnson
20. Gene Tunney
21. Stanley Ketchel
22. Barbados Joe Walcott
23. Rocky Marciano
24. Tony Canzoneri
25. Barney Ross

22 experts on boxing came to the conclusion that only 3 fighters could have been better than Ali, and you're meaning to tell me 10 fighters are better than him????

i must say i don't agree with this list either but it is as credible and subjective as it gets.....

Whoa, I thought YOU were going to embarrass me? This is somebody else's opinion. I want to know why you think Ali is better than the fighters I listed. You haven't done squat but reprint someone else's list. If you aren't willing to engage me in debate you haven't embarrassed me nor proved a thing. Why do YOU think he's better?

[Rolling Stone]

Whoa, I thought YOU were going to embarrass me? This is somebody else's opinion. I want to know why you think Ali is better than the fighters I listed. You haven't done squat but reprint someone else's list. If you aren't willing to engage me in debate you haven't embarrassed me nor proved a thing. Why do YOU think he's better?

HAHHAHHA....throwing in the towel???? because i provided a list of Credible Boxing Historians who rank Ali in the Top 5 P4P......my opinion has no credibility nor does yours....this is a ****ing forum, you have no credibility mate......I'd rather read the opinions of experts who have infinite knowledge of the game than some punk called JAB5239

you feeling embarresed yet????

[EzzardFan]

i'm sure you've seen this list before, its the International Boxing Research Organization's Top 25 Greatest Fighters of All Time.....

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Roberto Duran
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Bob Fitzsimmons
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Ray Leonard
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Eder Jofre
16. Mickey Walker
17. Archie Moore
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Jack Johnson
20. Gene Tunney
21. Stanley Ketchel
22. Barbados Joe Walcott
23. Rocky Marciano
24. Tony Canzoneri
25. Barney Ross

22 experts on boxing came to the conclusion that only 3 fighters could have been better than Ali, and you're meaning to tell me 10 fighters are better than him????

i must say i don't agree with this list either but it is as credible and subjective as it gets.....

I agree with a lot of that list. I think they put Ginger Bob too high, and don't agree with Duran above Benny Leonard or Dempsey above Tunny. It also seems to be biased towards heavyweights.

[JAB5239]

wasn't the only one to do these things???? huh??? what do you mean??? is there a faster moving heavyweight than Muhammad Ali???? please tell me cause i am yet to see one

What does faster moving heavyweight have to do with p4p? Was there a jr welter with faster hands than Meldrick Taylor? I don't think so. Should we rank him p4p?

[Boss Don]

I think I need to save a text file with my usual response for Bert Sugar threads...

To summarize, Bert Sugar is a clown in my book. Acting like an expert and being an expert are two totally different things.

Co-Sign Bert is just a crazy old man I used to think he was one of the best boxing analyst until I started watching him on Ringside then I realized he just a crazy old man with a opinion

[JAB5239]

HAHHAHHA....throwing in the towel???? because i provided a list of Credible Boxing Historians who rank Ali in the Top 5 P4P......my opinion has no credibility nor does yours....this is a ****ing forum, you have no credibility mate......I'd rather read the opinions of experts who have infinite knowledge of the game than some punk called JAB5239

you feeling embarresed yet????

Im feeling embarrassed for you because you bitched out and don't have an opinion of your own. I feel embarrassed for you because you don't have the knowledge or balls to debate me. You're a sheep and a coward.

[Schmerzen]

Co-Sign Bert is just a crazy old man I used to think he was one of the best boxing analyst until I started watching him on Ringside then I realized he just a crazy old man with a opinion

and a cigar