Bert Sugar ''Willie Pep Is A Greater Fighter Than Muhammad Ali''

[Southpaw16BF]

Thoughts?

Do you agree with Bert?

[Schmerzen]

u can sure make an argument why pep is better than ali, but ali is p4p #2 for me behind robinson.

[Rolling Stone]

Bert Sugar??? the same Bert Sugar who doesn't even have Roy Jones Jr is his Top 100 Fighters???? i respect this guys knowledge but sometimes he's off his head......the only fighter greater than Muhammad Ali imo is Sugar Ray Robinson and its not by much

[Southpaw16BF]

Bert Sugar??? the same Bert Sugar who doesn't even have Roy Jones Jr is his Top 100 Fighters???? i respect this guys knowledge but sometimes he's off his head......the only fighter greater than Muhammad Ali imo is Sugar Ray Robinson and its not by much

He does. At number #88

[BennyST]

I don't think it's overly shocking to have a few guys above Ali. You could make a case for quite a few fighters to be above him. Greb, Pep, Leonard, Armstrong etc.

It's not as if he is head and shoulders above these guys and when you compare their records it's not at all impossible to say that there have been a number of fighters with greater records and more wins against great fighters. Maybe it's because it's the heavyweights that he gets a bit more love and maybe it's because he was also so charismatic, but his wins are still not so much greater than other fighters that they should not even be compared with him.

It's not that far fetched, and in fact, I don't think it's far fetched at all. He fought in an incredible era, but so did most of the other guys and some of them have arguably better win/loss records against as good, or better competition, in those eras than he did in his.

[Rolling Stone]

He does. At number #88

HHAHAHHAHHAHHA.......wtf is the point of that??? he might as well have him 188

[geribeetus]

i think pep had more raw physical ability and was a more technical fighter, but as far as legacy i have ali higher.

[Jim Jeffries]

HHAHAHHAHHAHHA.......wtf is the point of that??? he might as well have him 188

I try not to rate fighters while they're still active, but out of curiosity, where do you rank Roy Jones Jr?

i think pep had more raw physical ability and was a more technical fighter, but as far as legacy i have ali higher.

Not sure about the physical ability, but Pep was definitely more technical.

Greatness though, includes impact on the sport, and Ali has that in abundance.

Sugar does have a tendency to overrate much older fighters. Dempsey, for example. Though at least in this instance, both are generally considered top 10.

[EzzardFan]

He does. At number #88

And I lost all respect for Sugar when I say that he had included Roy Jones Jnr...

[Southpaw16BF]

And I lost all respect for Sugar when I say that he had included Roy Jones Jnr...

Why? Roy Jones ia a top 100 fighter no dout.