Bert Sugar ''Willie Pep Is A Greater Fighter Than Muhammad Ali''

[Rolling Stone]

Yea that sounds about right. Most over rated fighter ever...makes me sick to constantly see him rated in the top 3 p4p. People are truly brainwashed. The man never threw a body punch in his life but somehow he's top 3 p4p.

at first i thought this guy must be a ******, but then i saw your from Philidelphia and you have clear bias towards Ali because he whooped Phillie's own Smokin Joe

[Rolling Stone]

Willie Pep is without a doubt a greater fighter than Muhammad Ali, who in all honesty doesn't deserve to even be rated in the top 10 p4p.

post your Top 10 P4P mate...i would love to see it

[Rolling Stone]

I agree with this, but Ali is top 15, 20 at least.

name me 10 greater fighters than Ali...c'mon lets see who you have so i can embarress you

[Rolling Stone]

I think people just assume because of his resume. While it is the best ever at heavy (my opinion) he had a lot of close fights too.

oh so people assume Muhammad Ali is greater just because of his resume??? so its not about the fact he was the fastest moving heavyweight in history??? threw the fastest combinations in heavyweight history, invented the rope-a-dope, had an iron chin, tremendous heart and will to win????? so none of that is taken into consideration???

i thought you were a more intelligent poster

[JAB5239]

name me 10 greater fighters than Ali...c'mon lets see who you have so i can embarress you

You're going to embarrass me? I hope you can bring a better argument to the table than just boxrec statistics.

Off the top of my head in no particular order.....

Robinson
Greb
Pep
Langford
Charles
Armstrong
Wilde
Walker
B. Leonard
Ross
Gans
R Leonard
Duran

Have at it. Lets see if you can embarrass me.

[JAB5239]

oh so people assume Muhammad Ali is greater just because of his resume??? so its not about the fact he was the fastest moving heavyweight in history??? threw the fastest combinations in heavyweight history, invented the rope-a-dope, had an iron chin, tremendous heart and will to win????? so none of that is taken into consideration???

i thought you were a more intelligent poster

Im not putting Ali down in any way. But don't act like he was the only one to do these things, because that is simply untrue.

[Schmerzen]

You're going to embarrass me? I hope you can bring a better argument to the table than just boxrec statistics.

Off the top of my head in no particular order.....

Robinson
Greb
Pep
Langford
Charles
Armstrong
Wilde
Walker
B. Leonard
Ross
Gans
R Leonard
Duran

Have at it. Lets see if you can embarrass me.

in my opinion, except robinson, nobody is better than ali on that list.
this p4p **** goes too far now, ali had a better footwork than every1 u list there, just watch the first liston fight.

[JAB5239]

in my opinion, except robinson, nobody is better than ali on that list.
this p4p **** goes too far now, ali had a better footwork than every1 u list there, just watch the first liston fight.

P4p isn't based on footwork, but an entire career. And while it is all subjective
I promise I can make an argument for every fighter I named and maybe a few more.

[JAB5239]

in terms of greatness my favorite line was Cox line...

When one considers 100++ years of boxing history the gap between number one and number two is invisible. Indeed the gap between numbers one and ten is very small. It's like splitting hairs. Indeed an argument could be made that virtually any of the boxers in the top ten could be considered for the top spot..

Exactly! Its apples and oranges.

[Rolling Stone]

You're going to embarrass me? I hope you can bring a better argument to the table than just boxrec statistics.

Off the top of my head in no particular order.....

Robinson
Greb
Pep
Langford
Charles
Armstrong
Wilde
Walker
B. Leonard
Ross
Gans
R Leonard
Duran

Have at it. Lets see if you can embarrass me.

HAHHAHHAHAH....sorry mate i didn't mean to laugh....your opinion is your opinion and i have to respect that....if you honestly believe 10 fighters are better than Ali well.......

The only fighter i rank higher than Ali is Ray Robinson and you can make a case for Henry Armstrong too......

i'm sure you've seen this list before, its the International Boxing Research Organization's Top 25 Greatest Fighters of All Time.....

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sam Langford
7. Roberto Duran
8. Benny Leonard
9. Willie Pep
10. Bob Fitzsimmons
11. Joe Gans
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Ray Leonard
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Eder Jofre
16. Mickey Walker
17. Archie Moore
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Jack Johnson
20. Gene Tunney
21. Stanley Ketchel
22. Barbados Joe Walcott
23. Rocky Marciano
24. Tony Canzoneri
25. Barney Ross

22 experts on boxing came to the conclusion that only 3 fighters could have been better than Ali, and you're meaning to tell me 10 fighters are better than him????

i must say i don't agree with this list either but it is as credible and subjective as it gets.....