All Time Great Fighters Who Just Cound't Handle A Certain Fighters Style?

[CarlosG815]

Try actually reading a post before responding to it,moron.Ali was most certainly washed up in 1974 and 1975,when,as I said,he beat Frazier twice convincingly.


I lost right to post on an internet forum?







He went on to "win the fights that defined his legacy" due to him being an active competitor once again.When Frazier fought Ali the second and third time,he was no longer dealing with a fighter with just two professional fights in four years.



You can't believe the idiocy of the "frazier haters" and yet you make a silly claim in that Frazier even fought a prime Ali to begin with.By making such a claim,you quite clearly haven't watched Ali's fights from 1965-1967.You quite clearly haven't seen Ali's fight with Oscar Bonavena(just three months before his first fight Frazier).



You're not a Frazier "nuthugger".I will leave such accusations to those who have actually seen Frazier's fights with others that didn't involve Ali and Foreman

So now you're assuming which fights I've seen? haha

You wanna talk all this mess about prime Ali, but the fact is, in what you call his prime, he beat an over rated small Floyd Patterson and a Liston that took a phony dive so he could get back home and shoot heroin in a hurry.

The fights that people know him for are his bouts with Frazier and Foreman. And the style that Ali fought with in the first Frazier bout was the same style he used for the rest of his career, albeit he did refine it later, but it was never exactly like the Ali of the 60's.

[CarlosG815]

1 - I never said he looked like the Ali of old. I was asking if you meant that, which was pretty obvious. He got better in the mid 70s but never went back to what he used to be. He had enough to beat Foreman and enough to Frazier even more convincingly.

2 - Ali's fault? He was banned from the ring for like four years and only had two fights. One lasting three rounds and the other going the distance. In the one going the distance, he looked nothing like the Ali of the 60s. It was clear that he had stamina problems.

3 - Ali beat Foreman with footwork, a jab and stamina? No.. did you actually say that? I'm now convinced that you have no idea what you're talking about. Not only that, but you didn't even watch the fight.

blah blah, you're getting boring and coming off track with baseless insults. And I did watch that fight just 2-3 weeks ago, along with a few other Foreman fights.

[donkim]

So now you're assuming which fights I've seen? haha

You wanna talk all this mess about prime Ali, but the fact is, in what you call his prime, he beat an over rated small Floyd Patterson and a Liston that took a phony dive so he could get back home and shoot heroin in a hurry.

The fights that people know him for are his bouts with Frazier and Foreman. And the style that Ali fought with in the first Frazier bout was the same style he used for the rest of his career, albeit he did refine it later, but it was never exactly like the Ali of the 60's.

I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing with you

Changed your mind,did you?


Yes,I am going to assume which fights you haven't seen,and through posts like this,I have good reason to

Ali beat Foreman with footwork

Arguably the most famous fight in the history of the sport,a story of which can be told be even the most common of people who don't even follow the sport and you claim that Foreman was beaten through footwork?



Resorting to personal attacks against Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston now are we?

You're already ignorant enough about the sport and it's athlete's professional careers,the last thing you want to be doing is bringing up their personal life's........or would you like me to bring up Frazier's also?


You've already conceded that Ali was nowhere near his prime when he returned in the 1970's.You're perhaps the only person naive enough to believe that he was at his best after fighting just twice in four years.Not only did Frazier not beat a prime Ali,he never even beat the best version of the comeback Ali.

[JAB5239]

I got a question here. I see a lot of talk about Ali not being prime, being out of shape etc. etc. etc. Did Ali ever make any excuses for losing to Frazier?

[Fighting Marine]

I got a question here. I see a lot of talk about Ali not being prime, being out of shape etc. etc. etc. Did Ali ever make any excuses for losing to Frazier?

Ali never said he lost the first fight to Frazier....Ali believed he won the first fight...i do too, infact, Larry Merchant who was at ringside for the fight of the century scored the fight to Muhammad Ali (Howard Cosell mentioned it during ABC's broadcast of Ali vs Frazier II)

[Fighting Marine]

who is the idiot that said Ali beat Foreman with footwork???? whomever said that should be pistol whipped.....you just proved you don't know ****e about boxing

[black.ink]

Duran and Benitez.

I'm sure Duran could not have beaten Benitez even if they had fought 3 times.

[General Zod]

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