All Time Great Fighters Who Just Cound't Handle A Certain Fighters Style?

[CarlosG815]

Ring rust was the reason Ali lost. He didn't have the stamina to go into the later rounds. He was beating Frazier in the first half of the fight with ease. Then he started to get tired and gave some of the rounds away. It was actually a very close fight and I had Ali winning it by two rounds.

And how could you say that Frazier had a better chin than Ali? Frazier was knocked down six times by Foreman, while Ali never did. That example alone should show you who had the better chin.

1 - He did have a couple fights prior to facing Frazier. If he still felt rusty, he should have trained hard and sparred more often, and put the fight off a few months until he was ready.

2 - I'm not saying he had a better chin than Ali. Everybody knows what kind of abuse Ali could take and stay on his feet. All I'm saying is in that fight, Ali landed a lot of shots. Joe was a fighter that put his face out there and took a lot of punches, so to say that Frazier had no chin is laughable. Ali was the one that got knocked down in the 15th, not Joe.

3 - Ali was much bigger than Frazier and was a much better matchup for Foreman. Foreman was just too big for Joe to penetrate.

[tha golden boy]

1 - He did have a couple fights prior to facing Frazier. If he still felt rusty, he should have trained hard and sparred more often, and put the fight off a few months until he was ready.

2 - I'm not saying he had a better chin than Ali. Everybody knows what kind of abuse Ali could take and stay on his feet. All I'm saying is in that fight, Ali landed a lot of shots. Joe was a fighter that put his face out there and took a lot of punches, so to say that Frazier had no chin is laughable. Ali was the one that got knocked down in the 15th, not Joe.

3 - Ali was much bigger than Frazier and was a much better matchup for Foreman. Foreman was just too big for Joe to penetrate.

1 - He had two fights and he didn't look at all like his best.

2 - When you're exhausted and you run out of stamina, it's easier to get hurt.

3 - They actually weighed about the same against Foreman. And Frazier was closer to his prime than Ali was.

[CarlosG815]

It's not just an excuse,it's a fact! Try watching Ali's previous fight with Oscar bonavena.How is a three and a half year hiatus not going to hurt a fighter who's defense and offense relies heavily on his reflexes?


frazier has one of the weakest chins of any heavyweight champion.for you to suggest that he had a greater chin than Ali is laughable to say the least.frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers for a reason.The only time he ever stepped in the ring with a puncher,he got put down eight times.



A washed up Ali beat frazier(who was far closer to his prime) twice convincingly and almost beat a prime frazier despite being four years past it and carrying more rust than a warehouse bucket.A prime Ali would have had no trouble with a leech like frazier.

lmao! Wow, so '71 Ali was washed up?! Give me a BREAK! You have lost any right to post again in this thread. At the time he fought Frazier he had more than enough time to condition himself, and after this fight he went on to win the fights that defined his legacy.

The way I see it, prime Ali lost to a prime Frazier in 71, and a prime Ali beat a washed up, disabled Frazier later on in life. I can't believe the idiocy of these Frazier haters!

Or wait, I must be a Frazier nut hugger.

Get a clue and give the guy credit where it's due.

[CarlosG815]

1 - He had two fights and he didn't look at all like his best.

2 - When you're exhausted and you run out of stamina, it's easier to get hurt.

3 - They actually weighed about the same against Foreman. And Frazier was closer to his prime than Ali was.

1 - That's bull****. Just because another fighter can make you look bad, doesn't mean that "he wasn't at his best." Joe out boxed him and made him look bad, plain and simple.

2 - Doesn't that go both ways? Come on, dude.

3 - That's seriously the best you can come up with? Come on, duuuuuude. Ali was 6'3-6'4, same as Foreman! Joe was barely 5'11! WTF??? I'm not making an excuse, Joe got pummeled by Big George, but can't you give the man any credit?

[donkim]

Why did he fight two of the hardest punchers of all time in Foster and Foreman then? If he ducked punchers. They don't punch much harder than them two

Paulie

He fought an unranked,light heavyweight who never carried his power up to heavyweight.Foreman wasn't regarded very highly at the time.There were many punchers that Frazier ducked throughout his career.You only have to watch the Foreman fight to see why he did.....his fragile chin couldn't absorb such power.

He did have a couple fights prior to facing Frazier. If he still felt rusty, he should have trained hard and sparred more often, and put the fight off a few months until he was ready.

He had two fights before Frazier.The first fight lasting just three rounds,and the next fight which lasted fifteen rounds in which his lengthy absence from the ring was obvious.


It's good to know that you concede that he was as rusty as an old nail.

I'm not saying he had a better chin than Ali. Everybody knows what kind of abuse Ali could take and stay on his feet. All I'm saying is in that fight, Ali landed a lot of shots. Joe was a fighter that put his face out there and took a lot of punches, so to say that Frazier had no chin is laughable. Ali was the one that got knocked down in the 15th, not Joe.

Ali wasn't a puncher and never was.If that was Foreman's,Liston's,Lyle's or even a Mac Fosters punches that he was taking then fair enough.


Frazier never proved a chin against big punchers.

Ali was much bigger than Frazier and was a much better matchup for Foreman. Foreman was just too big for Joe to penetrate.

Typical of a Frazier apologist to hide behind the whole "styles make fights" excuse.Frazier was never even competitive against the big punching Foreman.Every time Foreman touched him,he folded like an accordion.

[CarlosG815]

He fought an unranked,light heavyweight who never carried his power up to heavyweight.Foreman wasn't regarded very highly at the time.There were many punchers that Frazier ducked throughout his career.You only have to watch the Foreman fight to see why he did.....his fragile chin couldn't absorb such power.

Typical of a Frazier apologist to hide behind the whole "styles make fights" excuse.Frazier was never even competitive against the big punching Foreman.Every time Foreman touched him,he folded like an accordion.

I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing with you, but the truth is, not many guys could take a punch from Big George! He hit Ali so hard he put his eyes into the back of his head. Ali said he would black out and forget where he was. It's not that Joe had a weak chin, he could contend, it's just that Foreman hit like a semi and Frazier couldn't get close enough to hit him! He got his ass kicked.

[tha golden boy]

1 - That's bull****. Just because another fighter can make you look bad, doesn't mean that "he wasn't at his best." Joe out boxed him and made him look bad, plain and simple.

2 - Doesn't that go both ways? Come on, dude.

3 - That's seriously the best you can come up with? Come on, duuuuuude. Ali was 6'3-6'4, same as Foreman! Joe was barely 5'11! WTF??? I'm not making an excuse, Joe got pummeled by Big George, but can't you give the man any credit?

1 - Are you telling me that he looked like the Ali of old against Quarry and Bonavena, prior to fighting Frazier? If so, it's hard to take your opinion seriously.

2 - Actually, Frazier that night had incredible stamina. Ali didn't. So, in that case, it doesn't work both ways.

3 - While Ali may have been taller, Frazier had a more compact body. Frazier was also the naturally heavier guy when not training for a fight.

[donkim]

lmao! Wow, so '71 Ali was washed up?! Give me a BREAK! You have lost any right to post again in this thread. At the time he fought Frazier he had more than enough time to condition himself, and after this fight he went on to win the fights that defined his legacy.

The way I see it, prime Ali lost to a prime Frazier in 71, and a prime Ali beat a washed up, disabled Frazier later on in life. I can't believe the idiocy of these Frazier haters!

Or wait, I must be a Frazier nut hugger.

Get a clue and give the guy credit where it's due.

Try actually reading a post before responding to it,moron.Ali was most certainly washed up in 1974 and 1975,when,as I said,he beat Frazier twice convincingly.


I lost right to post on an internet forum?







He went on to "win the fights that defined his legacy" due to him being an active competitor once again.When Frazier fought Ali the second and third time,he was no longer dealing with a fighter with just two professional fights in four years.



You can't believe the idiocy of the "frazier haters" and yet you make a silly claim in that Frazier even fought a prime Ali to begin with.By making such a claim,you quite clearly haven't watched Ali's fights from 1965-1967.You quite clearly haven't seen Ali's fight with Oscar Bonavena(just three months before his first fight Frazier).



You're not a Frazier "nuthugger".I will leave such accusations to those who have actually seen Frazier's fights with others that didn't involve Ali and Foreman

I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing with you, but the truth is, not many guys could take a punch from Big George! He hit Ali so hard he put his eyes into the back of his head. Ali said he would black out and forget where he was. It's not that Joe had a weak chin, he could contend, it's just that Foreman hit like a semi and Frazier couldn't get close enough to hit him! He got his ass kicked.

Foreman wasn't even landing his heaviest shots on Frazier.Frazier went down like a sack of spuds at the slightest of contact.Now compare Foreman's glancing sc****s to the bombs he was landing on Ron Lyle.Had it been Frazier in there with Foreman that night,then Frazier would have ended up in a coma most likely

[CarlosG815]

1 - Are you telling me that he looked like the Ali of old against Quarry and Bonavena, prior to fighting Frazier? If so, it's hard to take your opinion seriously.

2 - Actually, Frazier that night had incredible stamina. Ali didn't. So, in that case, it doesn't work both ways.

3 - While Ali may have been taller, Frazier had a more compact body. Frazier was also the naturally heavier guy when not training for a fight.

1 - When did he look like the Ali of old after his hiatus? The Ali of old didn't beat Foreman and Frazier and everybody else after '70.

2 - So Frazier was better conditioned. That's Ali's fault and is not a valid argument point.

3 - Ali beat Foreman with footwork, a jab, and more stamina. None of which Joe had, making it a terrible playing field. I'm not making excuses for Joe. I don't think he could have beat Foreman at any point in his career. George was a better, bigger, stronger, harder hitting fighter than Joe.

[tha golden boy]

1 - When did he look like the Ali of old after his hiatus? The Ali of old didn't beat Foreman and Frazier and everybody else after '70.

2 - So Frazier was better conditioned. That's Ali's fault and is not a valid argument point.

3 - Ali beat Foreman with footwork, a jab, and more stamina. None of which Joe had, making it a terrible playing field. I'm not making excuses for Joe. I don't think he could have beat Foreman at any point in his career. George was a better, bigger, stronger, harder hitting fighter than Joe.

1 - I never said he looked like the Ali of old. I was asking if you meant that, which was pretty obvious. He got better in the mid 70s but never went back to what he used to be. He had enough to beat Foreman and enough to Frazier even more convincingly.

2 - Ali's fault? He was banned from the ring for like four years and only had two fights. One lasting three rounds and the other going the distance. In the one going the distance, he looked nothing like the Ali of the 60s. It was clear that he had stamina problems.

3 - Ali beat Foreman with footwork, a jab and stamina? No.. did you actually say that? I'm now convinced that you have no idea what you're talking about. Not only that, but you didn't even watch the fight.