I want to say Tszyu with rough, pressure fighters like Phillips and Hatton.
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All Time Great Fighters Who Just Cound't Handle A Certain Fighters Style?
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A better example of a style that troubled Olivares was Rafael Herrera who beat him twice, stopping him once. He really took command in their fights, got his punches off first and Ruben just didn't have an answer for it.
Azumah Nelson late in his career never could master Jesse James Leija like he had done to fighters earlier in his career. Leija was just had too much boxing skill and toughness for the faded Azumah too handle.
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I believe Ali struggled pretty bad with Frazier's style. Had Frazier not been half blind with a shoulder injury I think the rematch fights would have been a bit different. Ali couldn't do much in the first fight.
I love that fight. Round 15, 20 seconds in, Joe weaves, left hook to the face, Ali goes down. Beautiful.
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Muhammed Ali vs Larry Holmes
Ali was far past his glory days and wasnt really ducking the punches or had as much head movement as he used to and larry holmes took advantage of that and beated ali all the way through that night
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Originally posted by CarlosG815 View PostI believe Ali struggled pretty bad with Frazier's style. Had Frazier not been half blind with a shoulder injury I think the rematch fights would have been a bit different. Ali couldn't do much in the first fight.
I love that fight. Round 15, 20 seconds in, Joe weaves, left hook to the face, Ali goes down. Beautiful.
The only time he claimed victory against Ali was when he was when he had fought just twice in four years,and even then frazier took an absolute beating.
A well past his prime Ali was able to outbox frazier with ease in their rematch and outfight and outlast frazier at his own game in their third fight,forcing frazier to quit in his own corner.
frazier was always inferior to the likes of Ali,foreman,and most likely any decent heavyweight with a big punch.
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Originally posted by donkim View PostThe only time he claimed victory against Ali was when he was when he had fought just twice in four years,and even then frazier took an absolute beating.
Frazier was great for his size, he just didn't have the technique and ability to take on the much larger heavyweights, like Foreman. I think prime for prime he beats Ali 50% of the time.
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Originally posted by CarlosG815 View PostGive me a break. You're going to try to use the excuse that Ali hadn't fought in 4 years which is why he lost? Watch the fight. Frazier outlasted Ali, showed he could take a punch better than Ali, and landed way bigger shots. And he was blind in one eye.
Frazier was great for his size, he just didn't have the technique and ability to take on the much larger heavyweights, like Foreman. I think prime for prime he beats Ali 50% of the time.
It's not just an excuse,it's a fact! Try watching Ali's previous fight with Oscar bonavena.How is a three and a half year hiatus not going to hurt a fighter who's defense and offense relies heavily on his reflexes?
frazier has one of the weakest chins of any heavyweight champion.for you to suggest that he had a greater chin than Ali is laughable to say the least.frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers for a reason.The only time he ever stepped in the ring with a puncher,he got put down eight times.
A washed up Ali beat frazier(who was far closer to his prime) twice convincingly and almost beat a prime frazier despite being four years past it and carrying more rust than a warehouse bucket.A prime Ali would have had no trouble with a leech like frazier.
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Originally posted by CarlosG815 View PostGive me a break. You're going to try to use the excuse that Ali hadn't fought in 4 years which is why he lost? Watch the fight. Frazier outlasted Ali, showed he could take a punch better than Ali, and landed way bigger shots. And he was blind in one eye.
Frazier was great for his size, he just didn't have the technique and ability to take on the much larger heavyweights, like Foreman. I think prime for prime he beats Ali 50% of the time.
And how could you say that Frazier had a better chin than Ali? Frazier was knocked down six times by Foreman, while Ali never did. That example alone should show you who had the better chin.
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Originally posted by donkim View PostIt's not just an excuse,it's a fact! Try watching Ali's previous fight with Oscar bonavena.How is a three and a half year hiatus not going to hurt a fighter who's defense and offense relies heavily on his reflexes?
frazier has one of the weakest chins of any heavyweight champion.for you to suggest that he had a greater chin than Ali is laughable to say the least.frazier spent his entire career ducking punchers for a reason.The only time he ever stepped in the ring with a puncher,he got put down eight times.
A washed up Ali beat frazier(who was far closer to his prime) twice convincingly and almost beat a prime frazier despite being four years past it and carrying more rust than a warehouse bucket.A prime Ali would have had no trouble with a leech like frazier.
Why did he fight two of the hardest punchers of all time in Foster and Foreman then? If he ducked punchers. They don't punch much harder than them two
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