How does Joe Louis do against these fighters?

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  • EzzardFan
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    #51
    Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
    let me ask you to name me one quality opponent these fighters beat:

    L.Lewis
    Wlad Klitschko
    V.Klitschko
    L.Holmes
    Larry Holmes was a great boxer. He deserves respect for his skills, particularly jab and uppercut, and also the sheer volume of his title defences. He caught the tale end of a good era then dominated in an era that wasn't as strong, but there's no doubt he would have done well against any level of competition. He's an ATG.

    I'm not a fan of Lewis he was one of the first of the really big overblown heavyweights (albeit the best of a poor bunch) and epitomises a lot of what has subsequently gone wrong with the division.

    As for the Russians... well I'd have to rate them behind Dolf Lungren.

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    • CarlosG815
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      #52
      Originally posted by british_fan
      reading through this interesting thread.carlosG has made it clear he is just a tyson nuthugger,thats why he got so upset when poet gave some constructive criticism to mike and presented him with the cold hard facts

      sonnyboy has made it clear hes just a fu.cking idiot,once again
      Because I believe Tyson would beat Louis and I stated why I believe that? That makes me a nut hugger? Give me a break. All your useless post did was show that you're a poet nuthugger. Quit cheerleading for people, regardless of how much you respect him for his post count.

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      • crold1
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        #53
        Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
        Spinks licked Holmes (twice)
        Holmes was fortunate to beat Smith
        Holmes avoided Thomas
        Lewis very fortunate to beat Bruno
        Tucker was a junkie when Lewis beat him
        Spinks-Holmes II was one of the worst decisions of the 80s. Using the word licked makes it questionable that you've seen the fight (unless you're just trying to get some goats).

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        • sonnyboyx2
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          #54
          Originally posted by crold1
          Spinks-Holmes II was one of the worst decisions of the 80s. Using the word licked makes it questionable that you've seen the fight (unless you're just trying to get some goats).
          Spinks was a clear winner of both fights
          10-5rds first fight for Spinks
          8-7rds second fight for Spinks

          Holmes said to Spinks in the ring before the decision was announced in their 2nd fight, "You took the Fight "..

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          • crold1
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            #55
            Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
            Spinks was a clear winner of both fights
            10-5rds first fight for Spinks
            8-7rds second fight for Spinks

            Holmes said to Spinks in the ring before the decision was announced in their 2nd fight, "You took the Fight "..
            You need to watch the second fight...and I think you're confusing the quote with the alleged Hagler to Leonard statement. Spinks II was the one where Holmes said the judges could kiss his "big black behind."

            He should have.
            Last edited by crold1; 02-05-2010, 01:08 PM.

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              #56
              Tyson loses to big strong sluggers who can push him backwards or a very slick and quick fighter with a great jab. I don't think Louis would come out victorious. His chin wasn't too good(although he'd get up) and I don't see him pushing Tyson back or out slicking him.
              Against Liston I would favor Louis in a UD. He would counter punch, use his speed and so win more rounds.
              Foreman is a tricky one. Louis had dealt with big strong punchers in his career, and if you look at the way Foreman just threw sloppy wide punches, I can see him getting tagged like he was against Lyle. Pick em fight imo.

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                #57
                Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
                well it was obvious that you was gonna claim Langford, Jeanette, McVea etc fought each other 10 times.. but with you being such an expert on these 10 fight scenarios maybe you can tell me who wins these 10 fight series:

                Ali v Foreman
                Ray Leonard vs Dave`boy`Green
                Tyson vs Spinks
                Tyson vs Carl Williams
                Pacquiao vs Hatton
                Whoah Sonny slow down with the agression my friend, no need for it I hope?

                Obviously picked out Langford v Wills etc because they in forefront of mine and most peoples minds. Reckon there probably a fair few others too.
                Don't claim to be an "expert" on 10 fight scenarios or anything else come to think of it
                I have an opinion like anyone here and re matching up fighters 10 fight scenario's that helps me get them straight in my head
                Re the fights you have picked, I'd have Leonard beat Boy Green 11 times out of 10 to be honest lol.
                The rest are shut outs too except the Foreman v Ali fight is intriguing.
                Got a lot of time for Foreman and I think his comeback head on the 1970's body will cause problems for any HW. Thing is whilst I don't think Foreman could possibly fall for the rope a dope thing again I can't help thinking Ali will pull another rabbit out of the hat.
                Can't see Ali beating Foreman 10 out of 10 (Foreman too good) but by same token I don't know how a prime Foreman can beat a prime Ali.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
                  Spinks was a clear winner of both fights
                  10-5rds first fight for Spinks
                  8-7rds second fight for Spinks

                  Holmes said to Spinks in the ring before the decision was announced in their 2nd fight, "You took the Fight "..


                  The second time around Holmes was a victim of one of the worst decisions in modern times. Some people claim Direll-Froch was bad. having Spinks as a winner is much, much worse IMO.

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                  • sonnyboyx2
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson


                    The second time around Holmes was a victim of one of the worst decisions in modern times. Some people claim Direll-Froch was bad. having Spinks as a winner is much, much worse IMO.
                    Spinks was a clear winner in my book..it was Holmes bitterness towards commentators, reporters & fighters and claiming to them that the judges referee fights when drunk which casts a doubt over this fight, i had Spinks the clear winner at the time.. i rewatched both fights only a couple of weeks ago and Spinks was the winner being dominant through the mid to late rounds out-jabbing Holmes and landing combinations which Holmes found hard to deal with.. the fact is that Spinks had Holmes number, Spinks herky-jerky style Holmes just could not deal with it or fathom it out and Spinks scored repeatedly round after round 8-7 Spinks

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by sonnyboyx2
                      Spinks was a clear winner in my book..it was Holmes bitterness towards commentators, reporters & fighters and claiming to them that the judges referee fights when drunk which casts a doubt over this fight,
                      No, it was Holmes winning an easy ten rounds, hurting Spinks more than once, and having him out on his feet in the 14th which cast doubt over the fight. I'll buy the first; Spinks rarely threw punches until late in the rematch.

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