Anyone else agree SRR is overrated?

[Kiid Dynamite]

Robinson overated? Please inform me

[JAB5239]

I mean he fought a bunch of mediocre fighters 200 times is that grounds for P4P.

SRL IMO has the better resume just by beating Hearns and Hagler.

That is all.

You're an idiot.

Absolutely, and not many people would admit to this because you have extreme nuthuggers ready to castrate you for it. His legacy is built upon stats. He padded his record much the same way Chavez did to get that many wins, and very few in his era were actually greats. Furthermore his numerous titles and "moving up in weight" are also overrated. The guy was always bigger than his opponents so not much credit given there.
He will always be the myth in boxing. Idiotic lads will defend his mythical #1 status without even seeing more than just youtube highlights.

So are you.

I'll debate either of you clowns and embarrass the hell out of you. Bank on it.

[1SILVA]

You're an idiot.


So are you.

I'll debate either of you clowns and embarrass the hell out of you. Bank on it.

If Robinson is overrated, than every other fighter that ever stepped in the squared circle is as well. That is like saying Oscar Robertson was an overrated basketball player, Jesse Owens an overrated track star, Johnny Unitas an overrated football player, and Willie mays an overrated baseball player. He was the best fighter of his era, period!!!!!!!!

[Slimey Limey]

I'm am somewhat suprised. The last thing I ever would expect to see is a thread about Sugar Ray being overated.

It goes against everything that you were ever spoonfed about boxing innit mate?

You're an idiot.


So are you.

I'll debate either of you clowns and embarrass the hell out of you. Bank on it.

TOUGH GUY huh? Yeah you're an online tough guy innit?

[SplitSecond]

i once mentioned jorge fernando castro in a thread where we were talking about old fighters(just because of castro's record, which is about 170 odd fights)
and i got a responses like: castro was'nt skilled, he was just tough

and it left me think, wtf man? that's exactly all most of those old fighters were, tough

take jake lamotta for instance, the guy was just not that good at all, but he was as tough as nails

[TysonJones3]

Yes, I believe he is. I own 22 of his fights and highlights from him as a welterweight. He's a great fighter no doubt, with fast hands in combination and a great chin. His movement was very flawless as well. That said, I've seen better. There are fighters in the game now that hold all the same qualities he does, most of them choose to box though rather than slug. He's overrated because people call him the greatest of all time and 75 percent of these people havent even seen him fight, they just instantly buy into the hype.

I'll say this, You put SRR in there with a 160 pound prime roy jones, and jones is faster, hits harder, and quicker on his feet. Jones gives SRR all he could handle at middleweight. Just a reference for people that think SRR could hurt jones, James toney's been hurting cruiserweights and even knocked out evander holyfield, Jones took a ton of clean hard shots from toney at 168.

[Larry Merchant]

somewhat do to era

[TheGreatA]

i once mentioned jorge fernando castro in a thread where we were talking about old fighters(just because of castro's record, which is about 170 odd fights)
and i got a responses like: castro was'nt skilled, he was just tough

and it left me think, wtf man? that's exactly all most of those old fighters were, tough

take jake lamotta for instance, the guy was just not that good at all, but he was as tough as nails

I think most people who view the fights of LaMotta and Castro can easily see the difference. LaMotta could box very well while Castro had no boxing skill whatsoever. Also LaMotta easily fought and beat the better opposition.

Yes, I believe he is. I own 22 of his fights and highlights from him as a welterweight. He's a great fighter no doubt, with fast hands in combination and a great chin. His movement was very flawless as well. That said, I've seen better. There are fighters in the game now that hold all the same qualities he does, most of them choose to box though rather than slug. He's overrated because people call him the greatest of all time and 75 percent of these people havent even seen him fight, they just instantly buy into the hype.

I'll say this, You put SRR in there with a 160 pound prime roy jones, and jones is faster, hits harder, and quicker on his feet. Jones gives SRR all he could handle at middleweight. Just a reference for people that think SRR could hurt jones, James toney's been hurting cruiserweights and even knocked out evander holyfield, Jones took a ton of clean hard shots from toney at 168.

Then again you must also acknowledge the fact that Roy Jones at 39 is being knocked around by the likes of Danny Green while Ray Robinson at 39 was reigning as the middleweight champion of the world. Roy at his peak was a sight to behold but there's something to be said about the longevity of a Ray Robinson.

And Jones by no means took a "ton" of shots by James Toney. Iran Barkley took a ton of shots by Toney. Jones got caught with a couple, I could count the big punches Toney landed in that fight on one hand. That's a compliment to Jones.

[SplitSecond]

I think most people who view the fights of LaMotta and Castro can easily see the difference. LaMotta could box very well while Castro had no boxing skill whatsoever. Also LaMotta easily fought and beat the better opposition.

instead of posting a **** fight of castro why dont you try another like him against john david jackson? i read one of your posts before, it was suppossedly a good win for the 6'1 bernard hopkins but not for the former junior-welterweight jorge fernando castro?

and i never said castro was better lamotta, but you'd swear robinson, lomatta and any of those old fighters never fought a bum, i swear, even tho most of them didn't even look to be in an elite fighters shape, weird huh?

Then again you must also acknowledge the fact that Roy Jones at 39 is being knocked around by the likes of Danny Green while Ray Robinson at 39 was reigning as the middleweight champion of the world. Roy at his peak was a sight to behold but there's something to be said about the longevity of a Ray Robinson.

you might've just answered somethin about the opposition robinson faced past-prime
dont even start with joey maxim, i know it's coming my way, he was ****, robinson(if not past prime) and any other real fighter could beat him, patterson would've beaten him if he was not green, and patterson wasn't even that good

[TheGreatA]

instead of posting a **** fight of castro why dont you try another like him against john david jackson? i read one of your posts before, it was suppossedly a good win for the 6'1 bernard hopkins but not for the former junior-welterweight jorge fernando castro?

I don't rate Hopkins's win over JD Jackson. Castro was taking a brutal beating from Jackson and was nearly stopped until KO'ing Jackson with one punch. He was tough, about the toughest fighter I ever saw, but not a good boxer at all.



This hardly proves anything about his boxing skills.

and i never said castro was better lamotta, but you'd swear robinson, lomatta and any of those old fighters never fought a bum, i swear, even tho most of them didn't even look to be in an elite fighters shape, weird huh?

They fought a bunch of bums, every fighter has, but they also fought and beat numerous contenders, champions and hall of famers, more so than most of today's fighters.

you might've just answered somethin about the opposition robinson faced past-prime
dont even start with joey maxim, i know it's coming my way, he was ****, robinson(if not past prime) and any other real fighter could beat him, patterson would've beaten him if he was not green, and patterson wasn't even that good

If it's coming to the point where you have to call the likes of Joey Maxim "****" then there's no use in even arguing. I don't rate Maxim as one of the greatest but he was hardly a bum and the fight was at light heavyweight anyway. Robinson started out as a lightweight.

Patterson wasn't good? Care to point out why? You're just throwing out big statements about how LaMotta, Maxim and Patterson weren't any good without actually saying why.

And Roy Jones can't even compete against decent opposition these days. Danny Green couldn't get past European level fighters like Markus Beyer yet he looked like a destroyer against Jones. Robinson was still world class in his late 30's while Jones is far from it.