Why We Never Saw Foreman-Tyson

[TuPrincipe]

KidBlackie what do you have to say now? Tool.

[KidBlackie]

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Dunno. What do you say to a reprobate JD who's proud of failing his tests and getting kicked out of school?

Before Tyson turned 22 he was 35-0, 31 KOs, undisputed heavy champ of the world with 8 consecutive title wins, 2 of them over HOFers who had never been beat, 3 of them undefeated, 2 of them with only 1 loss, 7 of them current or former champs. Oh, and Tyson still had the surviving members of his original team training and managing him and had cleared at least 100 million in earnings and was widely proclaimed as the best ever by most oldtimers.

Lessee, before Ali turned 22, he 19-0, 15 KO, with one win over a 49 yr old HOFer in his 2nd to last fight, dropped on his rump in one fight, outscored in another, and dropped again on his rump and needed a torn glove to buy him a few extra minutes of rest before he could continue. ZER0 title wins and estimated earnings of 200 grand and reputation of a big mouth and soft chin.

Now, go compare the comp junior and all but the village idiots would have to conclude that Tyson was the real deal and Ali was just a prospect. Of course Jacobs died, King and Givens took over, put Tyson away in the pen and took all his money and Tyson went 15-6 over the next 17 yrs yet was still a ranked top ten fighter until last year.

Yeah, Ali had a better career over his last 17 yrs, going 35-3, but he did it all with his original team and support of family. Nobody argues that Ali had the better career, he did, but he had many more advantages like winning gift fights and fluke fights. In the end, being beat by Leon is far more shameful than anything Tyson ever did in the ring. Like I stated junior, Tyson is ranked in the top 10 by IBRO historians. The only rank you got is the odor always emanating from your diapers.

[KidBlackie]

RE:2 of them over HOFers who had never been beat,

.................that should read ---never been KOed.---- Unlike the juveniles on this board, I know when I make a mistake and can correct it.

[SnoopySmurf]

Well, I just wanted to go on the record that I have never under rated Mike Tyson.

His outrageous speed and power alone, experts knew that these qualities would trancsend all eras of boxing.

I've gotten soft on defending Mike Tyson. Been doing it for years that I just ignore most critics.

[TuPrincipe]

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Dunno. What do you say to a reprobate JD who's proud of failing his tests and getting kicked out of school?

Before Tyson turned 22 he was 35-0, 31 KOs, undisputed heavy champ of the world with 8 consecutive title wins, 2 of them over HOFers who had never been beat, 3 of them undefeated, 2 of them with only 1 loss, 7 of them current or former champs. Oh, and Tyson still had the surviving members of his original team training and managing him and had cleared at least 100 million in earnings and was widely proclaimed as the best ever by most oldtimers.

Lessee, before Ali turned 22, he 19-0, 15 KO, with one win over a 49 yr old HOFer in his 2nd to last fight, dropped on his rump in one fight, outscored in another, and dropped again on his rump and needed a torn glove to buy him a few extra minutes of rest before he could continue. ZER0 title wins and estimated earnings of 200 grand and reputation of a big mouth and soft chin.

Now, go compare the comp junior and all but the village idiots would have to conclude that Tyson was the real deal and Ali was just a prospect. Of course Jacobs died, King and Givens took over, put Tyson away in the pen and took all his money and Tyson went 15-6 over the next 17 yrs yet was still a ranked top ten fighter until last year.

Yeah, Ali had a better career over his last 17 yrs, going 35-3, but he did it all with his original team and support of family. Nobody argues that Ali had the better career, he did, but he had many more advantages like winning gift fights and fluke fights. In the end, being beat by Leon is far more shameful than anything Tyson ever did in the ring. Like I stated junior, Tyson is ranked in the top 10 by IBRO historians. The only rank you got is the odor always emanating from your diapers.

OK.

Clearly you've made your point and I've made mine. I don't understand why your bringing Ali into this the thread isn't about Ali, it's about Tyson.

I respect your opinion, obviously you don't respect mine, but do you see where I'm coming from. Can you please read my previous posts with an open mind. I know what I'm talking about. I have been watching boxing for 12+ years. I'm not no schmuck off the street.

I know my stuff. Don't resort to personal attacks against me just because you don't agree with what I say. That just makes you look like a tool, not me.

EDIT- I truly believe Tyson had the physical intangibles to be the greatest fighter ever. He knocked out Larry Holmes who was a replica of Ali, and did it in devestating fashion.

Even if you go beyond 10 years, back to 1991, before he spent three years in prison for ****, Tyson struggled mightily to beat Ruddock, an ordinary fighter whom you've heard of only because he gave Tyson trouble in those fights, before it was clear that Tyson, then only 24 years old, had already tanked his career.

To close this post off, I might of been a tad bit outlandish with my comments on Tyson but I generally believe them to be right for the most part. He dominated his division, but he had no Joe Frazier like Ali did, and the fighters he did have (Lewis, Holyfield) he didn't beat.

[Linx]

I read that article a while ago. I think Tyson would have beaten the old Foreman simply because Foreman was extremely slow footed and through hardly any punches. Foreman still had the power, but it had diminished and Mike's chin is top class so he ain't getting taken out with one shot. Tyson wouldn't KO George either though cause Foreman also had an iron chin.

A prime George Foreman beats Tyson. Formemans style is suicide for swarmers.

[chimpy]

Tin Mike was a *****. He would of got his ass beat by Foreman. Tyson had NO balls to fight anyone, he was just as bad as JCC he fought guys with no pulses.

This is Mike Tysons career.
Lennox Lewis hammers and beats up Tin Mike twice: When both were 17 and when both were 36.

James Tillis actually beats Tin Mike, age 19, but loses the decision because of a deducted point.

Evander holyfield hammers and beats up Tin Mike, age 36, twice.

James Douglas hammers and beats up Tin Mike, age 24.

So Tin Mike gets hammered and beat up at every age: 17, 24, and 36. Great all-time champion this Tin Mike. Yeah...right!!

Out of the total of 34 rounds Tin Mike fought with Douglas, Holyfield, and Lewis, Tin Mike won, and this is stretching it, maybe 3 rounds. One of the greats. Yeah...right!!

Tin Mike had no footwork, no defense, no heart, and couldn't throw a combination. The only asset he possessed was power. And his marketing team marketed that one asset to the hilt to the gullible public. And they bought it hook, line, and sinker. And sadly, some of them probably still do.

In conclusion, Tin Mike fought when the heavyweight division was arguably the weakest division in history. If Tin Mike had fought in the 1960s, he wouldn't have been
rated in the Top 10.

Therefore, Tin Mike Tyson is the most over-rated fighter of all-time.

For god's sake, his amateur career was 16 and 5. Tyson was prone to crying before fights, and it was reported that when Lewis beat the piss out of Tyson in the ams, Tyson kicked him out of his gym.

God it's nice to read the truth-spoken like a TRUE boxing fan. You know, it's Tyson himself posting the "Pro-Tyson" posts, he cries before every new post.

[habZ]

Leon Spinks would destroy Kevin Mcbride and Danny Williams.

[butterfly1964]

I read that article a while ago. I think Tyson would have beaten the old Foreman simply because Foreman was extremely slow footed and through hardly any punches. Foreman still had the power, but it had diminished and Mike's chin is top class so he ain't getting taken out with one shot. Tyson wouldn't KO George either though cause Foreman also had an iron chin.

A prime George Foreman beats Tyson. Formemans style is suicide for swarmers.

old or new, it doesn't matter. foreman would crush tyson, period!

[butterfly1964]

He is the most overated fighter ever. He will go down in history as one of the greatest ever, but he is just a media creation. He lost to EVERY SINGLE guy who stood up to him, and once you stuck a jab in his face he was done.

He only know how to beat up C-level guys. Once he fought the big boys, he was manhandled. He was just a one-trick pony.

Tyson's career-defining moment (a positive one) was knocking out a light-heavweight. Without anyone else to measure him aganist, I don't think it's fair to put him in the same league with someone like an ali, frazier, marciano, or louis, as they showed aganist elite competition that they were great. Tyson may have been, but I believe that the man who folded aganist holyfield was the same man who fought spinks, except spinks never tested him.

Sorry Tyson followers, but your hero isn't all what he is cracked up to be.

marciano is just as overrated, if not more than tyson.