Why We Never Saw Foreman-Tyson

[TuPrincipe]

He is the most overated fighter ever. He will go down in history as one of the greatest ever, but he is just a media creation. He lost to EVERY SINGLE guy who stood up to him, and once you stuck a jab in his face he was done.

He only know how to beat up C-level guys. Once he fought the big boys, he was manhandled. He was just a one-trick pony.

Tyson's career-defining moment (a positive one) was knocking out a light-heavweight. Without anyone else to measure him aganist, I don't think it's fair to put him in the same league with someone like an ali, frazier, marciano, or louis, as they showed aganist elite competition that they were great. Tyson may have been, but I believe that the man who folded aganist holyfield was the same man who fought spinks, except spinks never tested him.

Sorry Tyson followers, but your hero isn't all what he is cracked up to be.

[KidBlackie]

[[[He is the most overated fighter ever. He will go down in history as one of the greatest ever, but he is just a media creation. He lost to EVERY SINGLE guy who stood up to him, and once you stuck a jab in his face he was done.]]]
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You don't even know where Tyson rates. Facts are, you have no facts. Tubbs, Tucker, Thomas, and Page were excellent fighters with fine jabs. In fact, Holmes ducked Tubbs, Thomas and Page. Tyson knocked em out like they were nothing.

Tyson was done when he signed with King and stopped training. He was the most destructive and dominant fighter anyone had ever seen to that point. His legacy is such that guys like Williams and McBride get title shots 15 yrs later just because they beat a Tyson who's only able to go a journeyman's 14-6 since signing with King over that time.

And, yeah, Tyson ducked Foreman, but Foreman didn't reestablish himself in the division until AFTER Tyson had signed with King. IBROs recent alltime heavy rankings still list Tyson in their top 10.

[SnoopySmurf]

I often wondered about these two big names fighting each other. Everytime I do, I still see images of Frazier coming in like Tyson and getting caught from sneaky uppercut or downward jab (remember, Foreman can KO people with a grazing jab - it's got 270 pounds of human muscle pushing that fist).

It's all speculation. But here's my opinion, Tyson's speed and youth would have carried him to a UD.

As far as the article goes, Tyson doesn't speak like that. I can't imagine him using the phrase "I would never fight that animal....." Let's get serious. That ain't ****** speak. Perhaps the man was paraphrasing Tyson....so who knows, eh?

[TuPrincipe]

[[[He is the most overated fighter ever. He will go down in history as one of the greatest ever, but he is just a media creation. He lost to EVERY SINGLE guy who stood up to him, and once you stuck a jab in his face he was done.]]]
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You don't even know where Tyson rates. Facts are, you have no facts. Tubbs, Tucker, Thomas, and Page were excellent fighters with fine jabs. In fact, Holmes ducked Tubbs, Thomas and Page. Tyson knocked em out like they were nothing.

Tyson was done when he signed with King and stopped training. He was the most destructive and dominant fighter anyone had ever seen to that point. His legacy is such that guys like Williams and McBride get title shots 15 yrs later just because they beat a Tyson who's only able to go a journeyman's 14-6 since signing with King over that time.

And, yeah, Tyson ducked Foreman, but Foreman didn't reestablish himself in the division until AFTER Tyson had signed with King. IBROs recent alltime heavy rankings still list Tyson in their top 10.

Did you even read my other parts to my post? In a sport where you are measured on achievments IN THE RING, Tyson didn't have much. He was first undisputed champ ever and youngest but in arguably the weakest division ever, even to date. He beat Holmes, but Holmes was ANCIENT and way out of his prime. The tyson that fought holyfield and douglas was in his prime, and he got manhandled both fights. In all his big fights, it can be argued that he only won 4 rounds, and thats being generous.

Please don't call Tubbs, Tucker and the other guys excellent fighters please.

[Mike Tyson Jr.]

tyson didnt want to fight him beacuse
he respects the old man simple as that

[KidBlackie]

[[[Did you even read my other parts to my post? In a sport where you are measured on achievments IN THE RING, Tyson didn't have much. He was first undisputed champ ever and youngest but in arguably the weakest division ever, even to date. He beat Holmes, but Holmes was ANCIENT and way out of his prime.]]]
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Facts is you don't have any facts. Tyson has the 5th most title wins in heavy history, most of them before he was 23. Tyson was the only fighter to beat Spinks and the only one to KO both Spinks and Holmes, both HOFers, and he did it EASILY! You say Holmes was past his prime, but he was 21-3 after this bout and fought for 2 more decades against bigger stronger fighters including two title matches that he went the distance in.

ALI came up in a weak division, not Tyson. If it wasn't for Frazier, Foreman, and Norton during his comeback, Ali wouldn't have ever beat a prime great and still had a half dozen controversial fights. Go read the ********* tribute to D'amato today. They call Tyson the most destructive fighter in history. Those aren't my words. IBRO historians rank him in the top 10. Those ain't my rankings. I'm telling you that folks who know, know you're a few yards short of a full load.

I could care less that you don't like him. I probably like him less than you, but that don't mean he wasn't great, and many if not most call him the best peak fighter ever. He never showed any weakness in the ring until after he signed with King, stopped training properly, and started having legal problems. Greats who were better than Tyson struggled with journeymen coming up. Tyson never struggled, pitching shutouts over fighters he couldn't KO in a few rounds.

[RAESAAD]

One name two words....Desire Washington.

[Da Iceman]

[[[Did you even read my other parts to my post? In a sport where you are measured on achievments IN THE RING, Tyson didn't have much. He was first undisputed champ ever and youngest but in arguably the weakest division ever, even to date. He beat Holmes, but Holmes was ANCIENT and way out of his prime.]]]
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Facts is you don't have any facts. Tyson has the 5th most title wins in heavy history, most of them before he was 23. Tyson was the only fighter to beat Spinks and the only one to KO both Spinks and Holmes, both HOFers, and he did it EASILY! You say Holmes was past his prime, but he was 21-3 after this bout and fought for 2 more decades against bigger stronger fighters including two title matches that he went the distance in.

ALI came up in a weak division, not Tyson. If it wasn't for Frazier, Foreman, and Norton during his comeback, Ali wouldn't have ever beat a prime great and still had a half dozen controversial fights. Go read the ********* tribute to D'amato today. They call Tyson the most destructive fighter in history. Those aren't my words. IBRO historians rank him in the top 10. Those ain't my rankings. I'm telling you that folks who know, know you're a few yards short of a full load.

I could care less that you don't like him. I probably like him less than you, but that don't mean he wasn't great, and many if not most call him the best peak fighter ever. He never showed any weakness in the ring until after he signed with King, stopped training properly, and started having legal problems. Greats who were better than Tyson struggled with journeymen coming up. Tyson never struggled, pitching shutouts over fighters he couldn't KO in a few rounds.

all tyson fought were old past prime fighters who any bum couldve beat

[TuPrincipe]

[[[Did you even read my other parts to my post? In a sport where you are measured on achievments IN THE RING, Tyson didn't have much. He was first undisputed champ ever and youngest but in arguably the weakest division ever, even to date. He beat Holmes, but Holmes was ANCIENT and way out of his prime.]]]
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Facts is you don't have any facts. Tyson has the 5th most title wins in heavy history, most of them before he was 23. Tyson was the only fighter to beat Spinks and the only one to KO both Spinks and Holmes, both HOFers, and he did it EASILY! You say Holmes was past his prime, but he was 21-3 after this bout and fought for 2 more decades against bigger stronger fighters including two title matches that he went the distance in.

ALI came up in a weak division, not Tyson. If it wasn't for Frazier, Foreman, and Norton during his comeback, Ali wouldn't have ever beat a prime great and still had a half dozen controversial fights. Go read the ********* tribute to D'amato today. They call Tyson the most destructive fighter in history. Those aren't my words. IBRO historians rank him in the top 10. Those ain't my rankings. I'm telling you that folks who know, know you're a few yards short of a full load.

I could care less that you don't like him. I probably like him less than you, but that don't mean he wasn't great, and many if not most call him the best peak fighter ever. He never showed any weakness in the ring until after he signed with King, stopped training properly, and started having legal problems. Greats who were better than Tyson struggled with journeymen coming up. Tyson never struggled, pitching shutouts over fighters he couldn't KO in a few rounds.

Tyson was a product of media hype. People love watching schmucks get smashed, even if it doesn't mean a damn thing.

Like it or not, a fighter is inevitably measured by the level of competition he faced, and how he fared aganist his elite foes. Lewis isnt fair, but Holyfield dominating him certainly is. I also don't really buy the sob-story stuff either. Plenty of fighters have the rags-to-riches story, antonio tarver being a present day example. The point is, a fighter's true character is shown (or exposed, in this case), when he faces adversity in the ring. When has tyson ever showed the "heart of a champion"?

Tyson's personal problems may have cause him to be exposed aganist Douglas, but it certainly would have happened down the line, like in the first holyfield fight. He had the greatest physical tools ever there's no denying that but given his intagibles (or lack thereof), how could you say that he would defeat any of the all-time greats, when he didn't?

Lastly, Tyson had a great management who was able to project an image of tyson that inspired fear in his B-C quality opponents. A fighter's greatness is revealed when he faces adversity in and out of the ring. tyson folded like a chair during adversities. Was Tyson really great? He may of had the physical tools but was he truly great?

[butterfly1964]

i agree. tyson wasted a golden opportunity.