If Cus Damato Lived And Continued To Train Tyson

[mickey malone]

what is it you would like me to do when a Lewis thread comes on the forum... do you want me to change my opinion of him and start claiming he was the greatest and would beat Muhammad Ali?

The huge difference between me and you Micky is that i have seen Lewis fight Live on many occasions where as you have never seen a `live` boxing match in your life.

i have first hand knowledge of how good Lewis is having seen him from ringside fight, Ruddock, McCall (1) Williams, Bruno & Mason all you have ever seen of the guy is a cold-flat-screen in your mothers living room.

i do not `hate Lewis` as you claim, far from it... i am of the same opinion as many many other boxing fans who think Lewis was an oppotunist who never fought any fighters who was at the top of their game... now you claim to be knowledgable so can you name for me all the fighters who Lewis fought who was at the top of their game ....i admire every fighter who laces on a pair of gloves, i hate no fighter, but just because i tell it like it was about Lewis you obviously do not like it, yet i tell it like i seen it about every fighter,and no other fighter in my memory was an oppotunist like Lewis was... Lewis won the WBC title in 1992 (i was there) yet throughout the 90s he faced very mediocre opposition and never fought the big names of that era, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman, Witherspoon, Holyfield, Holmes, Sanders, Hide, Ruiz, Smith, Moorer instead the public had to cough-up PPV money to watch Lewis fight the Phil Jacksons, Lionel Butlers, Michael Grants, Akinwande, Mavrovick, Fortune, Tua, Botha, Morrisons... i was there at Wembley the night McCall destroyed Lewis, i listened to Corrie Sanders talking at ringside to Larry Merchant after beating Garing Lane saying all he wanted was a fight with Lennox Lewis but Lewis wanted no-part of Sanders between 94 and 2000 in fact Lewis wanted no part of any fighter who was at the top of his game.... Yet you "micky malone" have Lewis rated as the No5 greatest heavyweight in history, so why should me who has seen Lewis fight and know all about his career, listen or read anything you have to say about him, because IMO you are a `nuthugger`of Lewis.

no i dont have a source for The Lewis camp campaigning to have Rahman installed as the WBC No10 as i read it in the national press, yet as claimed on the subject Rahman was a Don King fighter and King was courting Lewis in 2001 getting him to vacate the IBF Title so as to avoid the No1 contender Chris Byrd, Byrd was not a king fighter and never fought any King fighters

You have just in a previous post stated that Frank Bruno is a couple of years older than yourself so i take it that you are in your 40s yet from the vast majority of your posts i was of the impression that you was in your late teens as you often spew-out playground remarks like i would send my girlfriend home etc etc yet i dont have a girlfriend i have a wife and grown up children unlike you who i would hasten a guess has no girlfriend or wife or children, if i was to bet i would bet you either live alone or live with your old mummy and are unemployed which is why you spend your entire day on this and other boxing forums trying to ridicule anyone who does not go along with your ridiculous nuthugging.. you need to get a life you sad little turd or better still get a job like real men do...

i await your reply to this post for the laugh of the night

Vivid Imagination!

[StarshipTrooper]

Damn, this thread turned into a flame fest. I would of jumped into this thread earlier, but as you can see by looking at my avatar and sig, I may be a little bias.

Prime Tyson = Greatest Fighter Of All Time

Prime Terrio = Biggest Nuthugger Of All Time

[RightCross94]

its obvious that when you are proven to be wrong it hurts you... answer my questions instead of spewing out your playground remarks..

you dont know jack**** about Buster Douglas and his fight with Holyfield and problems with Don King.

Holyfield won 4 world heavyweight titles and was undisputed Cruiserweight champion... what business is it of yours if Holyfield wants to continue his boxing career, have you examined him recently and diagnosed him having dementia?

Lewis campainged to have Rahman installed in the Top 10 yes.

Yes Poet & Jab spoke for BennyST and you told me to come to the original source so i have.

i have never loitered around any place nor have i been to the WBC offices and Lewis did campaign to get Rahman ranked in the Top 10

so i am not wrong you are

1. Most of the stuff you are saying is bull****

2. Get a ****ing life. I can't stand posters who obsessively hate one fighter and make essay length posts and threads attacking them.

[GJC]

Lewis was an oppotunist who never fought any fighters who was at the top of their game... now you claim to be knowledgable so can you name for me all the fighters who Lewis fought who was at the top of their game

sonny we have done this before so we'll just have to agree to differ.
I do think a lot of your downgrading of Lewis's opponents is with a lot of hindsight, you know as well as I do how rated Michael Grant was. The fact he was all piss and wind isn't Lewis's fault. Ruddock was thought to be a dangerous fighter no one realised that he was shot. Golota had just given Bowe nightmares again no one realised he was going to have a nervous breakdown the nigt he fought Lewis. Tua was and could still be even now a dangerous opponent. I can't see beating an old Witherspoon,Foreman or Holmes would have added anything to Lewis's legacy to be honest.
Sure Lewis resume has some kippers in it but on the whole it is one of the stronger records of recent years.

[one-Punch]

Prime Terrio = Biggest Nuthugger Of All Time

lol, grab your note book, go cry in the corner of your room, and write some ****ing lame ass poetry.

Why are you on these forums if your going to bad mouth peoples opinions. Because I like Tyson, and you don't, I am a so called Nuthugger???

Judas Priest is Gay, oh wait, that's my opinion.

[Jiddu Dali]

I highly doubt he would have ended up the way he did if Cus didn't die. Just listen to Tyson's own words, he was like his Dog. And Cus told him all about the things he should avoid in the Boxing world and life in general. Unfortunately he died in his 70s. Would have been great if the man had another 10 years left.

nice post

[StarshipTrooper]

Why are you on these forums if your going to bad mouth peoples opinions. Because I like Tyson, and you don't, I am a so called Nuthugger???

No, liking Tyson doesn't make you a nuthugger. There are plenty of posters on this sight that are Tyson fans without being a nuthugger. What makes you a nuthugger is saying Tyson is the GOAT: Something no Tyson non-nuthugger would say. It also reveals you to be utterly without any real boxing knowledge because such a statement on your part is the sort of thing said by a typical casual fan who doesn't know jack about the sport they're watching but GO COWBOYS!!! Dallas could be fielding the worst team in NFL history but to that deluded fanatic the Cowboys are THE BEST EVER! Quite frankly I detest that kind of unobjective, blind fandom. In any sport. But especially in boxing. Now. Got anything else to say Junior?

Poet

[one-Punch]

No, liking Tyson doesn't make you a nuthugger. There are plenty of posters on this sight that are Tyson fans without being a nuthugger. What makes you a nuthugger is saying Tyson is the GOAT: Something no Tyson non-nuthugger would say. It also reveals you to be utterly without any real boxing knowledge because such a statement on your part is the sort of thing said by a typical casual fan who doesn't know jack about the sport they're watching but GO COWBOYS!!! Dallas could be fielding the worst team in NFL history but to that deluded fanatic the Cowboys are THE BEST EVER! Quite frankly I detest that kind of unobjective, blind fandom. In any sport. But especially in boxing. Now. Got anything else to say Junior?

Poet

Just because I am a fan? I am nut hugger? You still make no sense? Why don't you go on a mission, and find every person on these forums and **** on their opinion of a great boxer. Oh wait, but if you believe their opinion is correct, that makes that boxer great???? Really, I don't give a **** what you think. Prime Tyson is the youngest heavyweight champ of all time, he is a GOAT whether your can comprehend that or not. Having no respect for this man’s style and speed, and coming out with such a great outcome from a good portion of his fights even with some physical disadvantages such a height and reach made him unique which is why people still talk about Tyson to date. You sit here and try to contradict everything I am saying just so you can feel good about yourself? I can do the same ****ing thing. Your just making yourself look like an idiot. I can’t believe your even 41 years old, judging by your post, you act like your 10. I may be only 20 years old in which I started watching boxing when I was 6, but I have spent endless hours researching the sport of boxing, and watching fights which were way out of my time. Probably as far back as the 40’s-50’s.

Got anything else to say old man?

[StarshipTrooper]

Just because I am a fan? I am nut hugger? You still make no sense? Why don't you go on a mission, and find every person on these forums and **** on their opinion of a great boxer. Oh wait, but if you believe their opinion is correct, that makes that boxer great???? Really, I don't give a **** what you think. Prime Tyson is the youngest heavyweight champ of all time, he is a GOAT whether your can comprehend that or not. Having no respect for this man’s style and speed, and coming out with such a great outcome from a good portion of his fights even with some physical disadvantages such a height and reach made him unique which is why people still talk about Tyson to date. You sit here and try to contradict everything I am saying just so you can feel good about yourself? I can do the same ****ing thing. Your just making yourself look like an idiot. I can’t believe your even 41 years old, judging by your post, you act like your 10. I may be only 20 years old in which I started watching boxing when I was 6, but I have spent endless hours researching the sport of boxing, and watching fights which were way out of my time. Probably as far back as the 40’s-50’s.

Got anything else to say old man?

Apparently you are unable to distinguish between being a fan of boxing and being a fan of a boxer. You're also unable to put together a coherent paragraph.

I honestly could care less which fighters you like or dislike. It's only when you take those predlictions of yours to the extreme and you overrate your favorite fighters that I call you on it. You're own personal biases do not equal fact and if you can't be objective about a subject you shouldn't speak on it. Pure and simple. You may think Tyson was entertaining as hell but that doesn't equate to greatness: Gatti was entertaining but not a great fighter. Tyson is A great fighter, but not the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time in case you didn't know). Any repected boxing historian would laugh at the notion of Tyson being the best ever Heavyweight. Most boxing historians rate Tyson in the bottom half of the top-10 which is a fair assessment. Some actually rank him somewhere from 11-20 which is probably too low but DOES demonstrate that people that are actually paid to know more about boxing than YOU don't share your starry-eyed belief in his over-all abilities.

Poet

[one-Punch]

Apparently you are unable to distinguish between being a fan of boxing and being a fan of a boxer. You're also unable to put together a coherent paragraph.

I honestly could care less which fighters you like or dislike. It's only when you take those predlictions of yours to the extreme and you overrate your favorite fighters that I call you on it. You're own personal biases do not equal fact and if you can't be objective about a subject you shouldn't speak on it. Pure and simple. You may think Tyson was entertaining as hell but that doesn't equate to greatness: Gatti was entertaining but not a great fighter. Tyson is A great fighter, but not the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time in case you didn't know). Any repected boxing historian would laugh at the notion of Tyson being the best ever Heavyweight. Most boxing historians rate Tyson in the bottom half of the top-10 which is a fair assessment. Some actually rank him somewhere from 11-20 which is probably too low but DOES demonstrate that people that are actually paid to know more about boxing than YOU don't share your starry-eyed belief in his over-all abilities.

Poet

How is my paragraph not coherent? It's me calling you out saying that just because you have different thoughts, AS A BOXING FAN, OR A FAN OF A BOXER, doesn't mean those thoughts are greater or more correct then someone else's thoughts or beliefs. You have no point. It's ok to discuss someone's opinion, but all you do is bash them and act like your opinion is overall the correct one.

'You're own personal biases do not equal fact and if you can't be objective about a subject you shouldn't speak on it. Pure and simple.'

You should follow your own advice, Pure and simple. I have my own opinion, you have yours. Immorally, you bitching about my opinion, in a way, makes you bias. Not everyone thinks like you poet. And thank god to that.

Be Objective about a subject????? WHY ARE YOU ON THESE FORUMS THEN? This is for boxing fans to discuss subjects and state their personal opinion on the matter at hand. Were not all robots who just talk about the facts? Everyone has different thoughts.