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  • QueensburyRules
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    #71
    Originally posted by JAB5239

    Why do you try to put words in my mouth? I say Vits did duck Rahman in 2005. He kept postponing it claiming injury. In August he did it again but then went and tried to make a Maskaev fight. These are facts. Just like it's a fact he didn't fight Stiverne when he was the WBC mandatory and didn't try to rematch Byrd. Ironically the excuse for that was injury as well, yet he fought a month later. Do you not see the pattern?
    - - The Pattern is U slurping Mickeys while U slop U hogs.

    Did Byrd try to rematch Vit?

    Nyetski.

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      #72
      Originally posted by QueensburyRules

      - - The Pattern is U slurping Mickeys while U slop U hogs.

      Did Byrd try to rematch Vit?

      Nyetski.
      Why would Byrd need to seek a rematch. First off he won. Second, he didn't quit. The onus was on Vits, who conveniently didn't go for it.

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        #73
        Originally posted by JAB5239

        Why would Byrd need to seek a rematch. First off he won. Second, he didn't quit. The onus was on Vits, who conveniently didn't go for it.
        - - U still squallin' like kicked school grrl.

        Wlad didn't rematch Byrd until King dropped Byrd from his stable.

        Was U ever DKing's Boy?

        That explains a lot...

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          #74
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules

          - - U still squallin' like kicked school grrl.

          Wlad didn't rematch Byrd until King dropped Byrd from his stable.

          Was U ever DKing's Boy?

          That explains a lot...
          No wlad fought Byrd a month before Vits fought Hoffman. In other words Vits could have had the rematch he just didn't want it. Tired of swinging and missing i guess.

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            #75
            Originally posted by JAB5239

            Why would Byrd need to seek a rematch. First off he won. Second, he didn't quit. The onus was on Vits, who conveniently didn't go for it.
            Yes I agree the 'onus' was on Vitai to redeem himself but . . .

            When both Raham and McCall won the title, no one expected anything except a Lewis rematch. Any other fights would have looked bogus.

            A one punch KO demands a rematch. (Twice for Lewis)

            A quit, (with an excuse) demands a rematch as well.e.g. Liston-Clay.

            So there is some onus on the winner to repeat the victory.

            But little brother Wald was there to clean up Vitali's mess, and Byrd probably did as well financially with Wald as he would have done with a Vitali rematch.

            So Bryd's decision was a smart, but one that didn't work out.

            Normally a one punch KO victory or a quit fighter (with an excuse) normally places some pressure on the winner to do it twice.

            I suspect you agree.

            Funny thing though: Bryd was ready to grab the Wald fight just six months later, which makes one wonder if there was pre-promotion (a just in case deal) with Wald, already on the table, even before the Vitali fight occurred.

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              #76
              Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

              Yes I agree the 'onus' was on Vitai to redeem himself but . . .

              When both Raham and McCall won the title, no one expected anything except a Lewis rematch. Any other fights would have looked bogus.

              A one punch KO demands a rematch. (Twice for Lewis)

              A quit, (with an excuse) demands a rematch as well.e.g. Liston-Clay.

              So there is some onus on the winner to repeat the victory.

              But little brother Wald was there to clean up Vitali's mess, and Byrd probably did as well financially with Wald as he would have done with a Vitali rematch.

              So Bryd's decision was a smart, but one that didn't work out.

              Normally a one punch KO victory or a quit fighter (with an excuse) normally places some pressure on the winner to do it twice.

              I suspect you agree.

              Funny thing though: Bryd was ready to grab the Wald fight just six months later, which makes one wonder if there was pre-promotion (a just in case deal) with Wald, already on the table, even before the Vitali fight occurred.
              I don't think Byrd would have turned down Vits had he come calling. He fought Wlad twice even though Wlad put a beating on him the first time.

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