Boxing Historical Archive GPT - first golden nugget (Johnson vs Ketchel)

[them_apples]

Using the new GPT made for the boxing community with 250+ books uploaded into it so far: I came across this info about the Johnson vs Ketchel bout, and it aligns with what's on film

The Jack Johnson vs. Stanley Ketchel fight on October 16, 1909, in Colma, California, has one of boxings most famous double-cross legends.

What happened:

• For 11 rounds, Johnson dominated, reportedly carrying Ketchel to make the fight more entertaining for the cameras.
• According to Johnson, they had agreed to a staged, close fight for 20 rounds, with him winning on points ând setting up a lucrative rematch.
• In the 12th round, Ketchel suddenly launched a wild left hook that knocked Johnson off balance and briefly to the canvas.
• Johnson instantly retaliated with a crushing right hand that knocked Ketchel out cold. The blow was so powerful it knocked out two to four of Ketchels teeth, which several witnesses and Johnson himself claimed ended up embedded in Johnsons glove.
• The crowd went silent, thinking Ketchel might be dead, and a priest was summoned before Ketchel regained consciousness.

Sources:

• The Last Great Prizefight: Johnson vs. Jeffries by Steven Frederick detailed the double-cross story and the teeth-in-glove claim.
• On Boxing by Joyce Carol Oates recounts the fight and confirms reports of Ketchels teeth being scattered or stuck in Johnsons glove.
• The First Black Boxing Champions describes Johnson saying they had a friendly agreement, which Ketchel broke.

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[Bronson66]

Using the new GPT made for the boxing community with 250+ books uploaded into it so far: I came across this info about the Johnson vs Ketchel bout, and it aligns with what's on film

The Jack Johnson vs. Stanley Ketchel fight on October 16, 1909, in Colma, California, has one of boxings most famous double-cross legends.

What happened:

• For 11 rounds, Johnson dominated, reportedly carrying Ketchel to make the fight more entertaining for the cameras.
• According to Johnson, they had agreed to a staged, close fight for 20 rounds, with him winning on points ând setting up a lucrative rematch.
• In the 12th round, Ketchel suddenly launched a wild left hook that knocked Johnson off balance and briefly to the canvas.
• Johnson instantly retaliated with a crushing right hand that knocked Ketchel out cold. The blow was so powerful it knocked out two to four of Ketchels teeth, which several witnesses and Johnson himself claimed ended up embedded in Johnsons glove.
• The crowd went silent, thinking Ketchel might be dead, and a priest was summoned before Ketchel regained consciousness.

Sources:

• The Last Great Prizefight: Johnson vs. Jeffries by Steven Frederick detailed the double-cross story and the teeth-in-glove claim.
• On Boxing by Joyce Carol Oates recounts the fight and confirms reports of Ketchels teeth being scattered or stuck in Johnsons glove.
• The First Black Boxing Champions describes Johnson saying they had a friendly agreement, which Ketchel broke.

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Sorry this is wrong, Johnson predicted he would beat Ketchel inside14 rds , and bet on himself to do so.
The punch that," supposedly knocked Johnson down," was a right cross,not a left hook.
The film shows Johnson falling before the punch arrives.
Below is a decent quality copy of the fight.
Jack Johnson vs Stanley Ketchel Full Fight Highlights

[Willie Pep 229]

Apple,

What good is this? It will never be able to discern the facts from the factoids.

It sounds bound to recorded information; we will likely be unable to tell primary from secondary sources. Will won't be able to distinguish lies; we won't recognize an author agenda, etc.

The topic you chose to test ot with is a perfect example of how truths can get mixed in with legends.

What good is that to us except for those who come here with a predetermined opinon, e.g. poet and his little dog joey.

For anyone looking for the truth, isn't going to find it in 250 biographies. More legends than history in those books.

Of course I will now go play with it. It sounds fun. How can I find it?

[Willie Pep 229]

Apple,

What good is this? It will never be able to discern the facts from the factoids.

It sounds bound to recorded information; we will likely be unable to tell primary from secondary sources. Will won't be able to distinguish lies; we won't recognize an author agenda, etc.

The topic you chose to test it with is a perfect example of how truths can get mixed in with legends.

What good is that to us except for those who come here with a predetermined opinon, e.g. poet and his little dog joey.

For anyone looking for the truth, isn't going to find it in 250 biographies. More legends than history in those books.

Of course I will now go play with it. It sounds fun. How can I find it?

[Willie Pep 229]

Apple,

What good is this? It will never be able to discern the facts from the factoids.

It sounds bound to recorded information; we will likely be unable to tell primary from secondary sources. Will won't be able to distinguish lies; we won't recognize an author agenda, etc.

The topic you chose to test ot with is a perfect example of how truths can get mixed in with legends.

What good is that to us except for those who come here with a predetermined opinon, e.g. poet and his little dog joey.

For anyone looking for the truth, isn't going to find it in 250 biographies. More legends than history in those books.

Of course I will now go play with it. It sounds fun. How can I find it?

[Willie Pep 229]

Apple,

What good is this? It will never be able to discern the facts from the factoids.

It sounds bound to recorded information; we will likely be unable to tell primary from secondary sources. Will won't be able to distinguish lies; we won't recognize an author agenda, etc.

The topic you chose to test it with is a perfect example of how truths can get mixed in with legends.

What good is that to us except for those who come here with a predetermined opinon, e.g. poet and his little dog joey.

For anyone looking for the truth, isn't going to find it in 250 biographies. More legends than history in those books.

Of course I will now go play with it. It sounds fun. How can I find it?