Henry Armstrong At Welterweight?

[The D3vil]

I'm not judging him, I'm pointing out the majority of his defences were against journeymen,which imo ,should be taken into account when assessing him at147lbs

I'm not talking about you judging him, personally, I mean, judging his career by modern standards makes no sense.

If he fought defended his belt 19 times in 18 months, that's a hell of a schedule, especially considering in that he fights Barney Ross, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers, Cerefino Garcia, Fritzie Zivic & Pedro Montanez within that period.

He fought 7 fights against HOFs in less than 2 years.

That's ridiculous.

For context, Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquaio only fought 7 HOFs their whole careers.

Armstrong fought 6 between May of 1938 & Jan. 1941

Ridiculous.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm not judging him, I'm pointing out the majority of his defences were against journeymen,which imo ,should be taken into account when assessing him at147lbs

- - Be like me pointing out U undefeated against helpless snails.

[Bronson66]

I'm not talking about you judging him, personally, I mean, judging his career by modern standards makes no sense.

If he fought defended his belt 19 times in 18 months, that's a hell of a schedule, especially considering in that he fights Barney Ross, Baby Arizmendi, Lou Ambers, Cerefino Garcia, Fritzie Zivic & Pedro Montanez within that period.

He fought 7 fights against HOFs in less than 2 years.

That's ridiculous.

For context, Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquaio only fought 7 HOFs their whole careers.

Armstrong fought 6 between May of 1938 & Jan. 1941

Ridiculous.

Ross was not a defence.Arizmendi ,Ambers were light weights.The fact remains in all those welterweight defences he faced 3 rated men Roderick ,Garcia, and Zivic who beat him, and Burley had already beaten Zivic .So guys like Burley, Williams, and Cocoa Kid , never got title shots.

Posters like to say Robinson ducked The Murderers Row, if anyone did it was Armstrong.

[The D3vil]

Ross was not a defence.Arizmendi ,Ambers were light weights.The fact remains in all those welterweight defences he faced 3 rated men Roderick ,Garcia, and Zivic who beat him, and Burley had already beaten Zivic .So guys like Burley, Williams, and Cocoa Kid , never got title shots.

Posters like to say Robinson ducked The Murderers Row, if anyone did it was Armstrong.

Again, it sounds like you're applying 21st century standards to the segregation era :lo1:

Who cares if Ross wasn't a defense? He's a top 10 WW ever He's one of the greatest fighters ever, as are Arizmendi & Ambers, who aren't your typical lightweights. They're historically great fighters.

Armstrong himself was a featherweight until his late 20s.

Fighting those guys & Garcia, Zivic, & Montanez in less than a 2 year period is something that wouldn't even be considered in the modern day.

An incredible reign by any standards.

[Bronson66]

Again, it sounds like you're applying 21st century standards to the segregation era :lo1:

Who cares if Ross wasn't a defense? He's a top 10 WW ever He's one of the greatest fighters ever, as are Arizmendi & Ambers, who aren't your typical lightweights. They're historically great fighters.

Armstrong himself was a featherweight until his late 20s.

Fighting those guys & Garcia, Zivic, & Montanez in less than a 2 year period is something that wouldn't even be considered in the modern day.

An incredible reign by any standards.

If you have 19 defences at welterweight and only 2 of them are ranked welters , by definition that is not an incredible reign.

No matter how great Ambers and Arizmendi may have been at lighter weights ,they were neither great at welter or even rated there, ergo that is a cherry pick reign.

The consequences of which meant that deserving contenders like Burley and Holman Williams never got a title shot.

The segregation era? 3 world champions were black 39/40

[QueensburyRules]

Ross was not a defence.Arizmendi ,Ambers were light weights.The fact remains in all those welterweight defences he faced 3 rated men Roderick ,Garcia, and Zivic who beat him, and Burley had already beaten Zivic .So guys like Burley, Williams, and Cocoa Kid , never got title shots.

Posters like to say Robinson ducked The Murderers Row, if anyone did it was Armstrong.

- - Somewhere U ducked the IQ lottery. Armstrong very popular put a$$e$ in the seats, hence one of the all time best records giving the people and promoters what they wanted.

Burley was a socialist with strong political feelings, hence ducking the Olympics exacerbated by a rotating cast of mgrs.

Managers: Phil Goldstein and Lou Brown (1936-1940), Luke Carney (1941), Tommy O'Loughlin (1942-1946), Morris Slutsky (1945-1946) Charley Rose, then Lew Burston & Jersey Jones (1946-1948), George Armstrong (1948-1949), Harry Roth (1949-195

[Bronson66]

- - Somewhere U ducked the IQ lottery. Armstrong very popular put a$$e$ in the seats, hence one of the all time best records giving the people and promoters what they wanted.

Burley was a socialist with strong political feelings, hence ducking the Olympics exacerbated by a rotating cast of mgrs.

Managers: Phil Goldstein and Lou Brown (1936-1940), Luke Carney (1941), Tommy O'Loughlin (1942-1946), Morris Slutsky (1945-1946) Charley Rose, then Lew Burston & Jersey Jones (1946-1948), George Armstrong (1948-1949), Harry Roth (1949-195

Burley was a refuse collector.lol.
He refused to participate in the 1936 Olympics because of his objection to ****sm,which BTW has nothing to do with him being denied his rightful chance at a title shot !
Armstrong's defences against
Junior x2
Pacho x2
Scott
Feldman
Furr
Manfredo x2
Ghnouly

And several others, were unadulterated mismatches.

[QueensburyRules]

Burley was a refuse collector.lol.
He refused to participate in the 1936 Olympics because of his objection to ****sm,which BTW has nothing to do with him being denied his rightful chance at a title shot !
Armstrong's defences against
Junior x2
Pacho x2
Scott
Feldman
Furr
Manfredo x2
Ghnouly

And several others, were unadulterated mismatches.

- - Like I said, Burley with strong political beliefs sorta like U snails. Neither gets a title shot...duh CUBED...

[Bronson66]

- - Like I said, Burley with strong political beliefs sorta like U snails. Neither gets a title shot...duh CUBED...

So you are saying Burley never got a title shot because he was against ****sm?

Have you any idea how ridiculous you are?

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Somewhere U ducked the IQ lottery. Armstrong very popular put a$$e$ in the seats, hence one of the all time best records giving the people and promoters what they wanted.

Burley was a socialist with strong political feelings, hence ducking the Olympics exacerbated by a rotating cast of mgrs.

Managers: Phil Goldstein and Lou Brown (1936-1940), Luke Carney (1941), Tommy O'Loughlin (1942-1946), Morris Slutsky (1945-1946) Charley Rose, then Lew Burston & Jersey Jones (1946-1948), George Armstrong (1948-1949), Harry Roth (1949-195

When Luke Carney managed Burley (for a short period,) Burley fought Zivic (a trilogy).

Carney and Zivic had a long term deal where Zivic got a small piece of all of Carney's fighters.

Zivic tells the story, on the day of (one of the fights) he finds out Carney had signed Burley away from his managers, Goldstein and Brown.

As Zivic got into the ring that night he kept thinking "I'm getting a piece of this guy's purse."

Only in Boxing.