Remember when you said Jack Johnson struggled with Jim Johnson, but then later denied it, insisted another poster produce sources to prove he struggled, and blew a gasket when he showed a post where you did in fact say he struggled?
Remember when you said Johnson gave title shots to Langford, MCVey and Jeannette but he really didn’t?
Remember when you called all those ATG fighters liars yet you believed Johnson and a bunch of anonymous sources that he did, when we know Johnson himself was the biggest liar of them all?
Quoting Compton now are we? The disrespectful Greb shill who was permanently banned from that other forum. The one who disagreed with you often.
Any fighter who is boxing with the handicap of a broken arm is going to struggle,that is a give,the question is will he be struggling with the injury or with the talent of his opponent?
The fact that Johnson was toying with Battling Jim until his injury tells us which it was!
I said Johnson signed to fight McVey,Langford, andJeannette,which he did,I also said those fights were cancelled because , in the case of McVey and Langford the Australian public opinion turned against Johnson when he jumped bail, and the promoter cancelled the fights and made a public statement saying exactly that , and its in Pollack's 2nd volume on Jack Johnson word for word.
In the case of the proposed Jeannette defences the chairman of the NYAC O' Neill vetoed the fights and made a public statement saying Johnson would not be allowed to fight in NY ,he went further than that by threatening to withdraw the promoting licence of anyone who put on a fight involving Johnson ,again his statement is in Pollack's book.
Johnson tried to box an exhibition for charity in NY and the NYAC would not even allow that ?
As for boxers being liars.Langford stated he weighed 147lbs when he fought Johnson and that he knocked him down,he later admitted this was BS.
Jeanette said he weighed 162 lbs when he last fought Johnson a glance at his resume tells us that this is total BS.Jeannette also said he beat Johnson "several times",he didn't he beat him once on a disputed foul.
So now Ghost of Dumpster , Big Dump,Big Dunn,Big Dumb ,whoever you are at present.
Now you tell us? Were Langford and Jeannette telling the truth when they made those statements?
Because if there weren't they must have been lying musn't they?
I'll quote anyone who knows what they are talking about and Klompton knows about fight film.
He owns an extensive collection of fight films ,spends a considerable amount of money acquiring them and trades for them on the internet.
The fact that he and I do not get along has no bearing on his knowledge about fight films and their provenance.
I don't care for the man but I respect his knowledge on fight films and certain eras of boxing,unlike you I can disassociate my personal opinion of someone from what they bring to the table.
That's why he is ,if not liked ,at least respected for what he knows , and you are a standing joke
He knows ,as do I, because I researched it ,that no film of the Hague v Langford fight has existed for the last 80years Therefore Z/Mendoza could not have seen the fight!
Any fighter who is boxing with the handicap of a broken arm is going to struggle,that is a give,the question is will he be struggling with the injury or with the talent of his opponent?
The fact that Johnson was toying with Battling Jim until his injury tells us which it was!
I said Johnson signed to fight McVey,Langford, andJeannette,which he did,I also said those fights were cancelled because , in the case of McVey and Langford the Australian public opinion turned against Johnson when he jumped bail, and the promoter cancelled the fights and made a public statement saying exactly that , and its in Pollack's 2nd volume on Jack Johnson word for word.
In the case of the proposed Jeannette defences the chairman of the NYAC O' Neill vetoed the fights and made a public statement saying Johnson would not be allowed to fight in NY ,he went further than that by threatening to withdraw the promoting licence of anyone who put on a fight involving Johnson ,again his statement is in Pollack's book.
Johnson tried to box an exhibition for charity in NY and the NYAC would not even allow that ?
As for boxers being liars.Langford stated he weighed 147lbs when he fought Johnson and that he knocked him down,he later admitted this was BS.
Jeanette said he weighed 162 lbs when he last fought Johnson a glance at his resume tells us that this is total BS.Jeannette also said he beat Johnson "several times",he didn't he beat him once on a disputed foul.
So now Ghost of Dumpster , Big Dump,Big Dunn,Big Dumb ,whoever you are at present.
Now you tell us? Were Langford and Jeannette telling the truth when they made those statements?
Because if there weren't they must have been lying musn't they?
I'll quote anyone who knows what they are talking about and Klompton knows about fight film.
He owns an extensive collection of fight films ,spends a considerable amount of money acquiring them and trades for them on the internet.
The fact that he and I do not get along has no bearing on his knowledge about fight films and their provenance.
I don't care for the man but I respect his knowledge on fight films and certain eras of boxing,unlike you I can disassociate my personal opinion of someone from what they bring to the table.
That's why he is ,if not liked ,at least respected for what he knows , and you are a standing joke
He knows ,as do I, because I researched it ,that no film of the Hague v Langford fight has existed for the last 80years Therefore Z/Mendoza could not have seen the fight!
Want to argue that further? Come right on!
You got caught with your panties around your ankles. Now it's the injured arm excuse, yet you never mentioned the arm, you insisted he didn't struggle and demanded sources. Turns out you were one of the sources. oops! It wasn't just Johnson's arm either, he was totally exhausted after ten rounds while Battling Jim was the fresher of the two.
Still repeating the same old tired lies. Johnson drew the color line was champion. Almost lost to a cherry pick who he accepted a mere $1,000 to fight.
Johnson claimed he was 185 for the Langford fight, but was 205 for the Jeannette fight just five months later. He packed on 20 pounds of muscle in just 5 months? Doubtful. More like Langford was correct when he insisted Jack was closer to 195 or better when they fought.
Klompton is a notorious Dempsey hater and not a credible source. Any so-called historian who demonstrates that much bias is blinded to the facts.
No, I don't believe Langford or Jeannette were lying about their weights. You never told us who weighed them. What were their names?
The early days of established weight classes saw a lot of corruption by managers and promoters. Rigging scales was a common practice for shady managers and promoters. How much did they truly and accurately weigh over 100 years ago? That's anyone's guess. Even today there are disparities in weight that are questionable from day prior weigh-in to actual weight on fight night.
You got caught with your panties around your ankles. Now it's the injured arm excuse, yet you never mentioned the arm, you insisted he didn't struggle and demanded sources. Turns out you were one of the sources. oops! It wasn't just Johnson's arm either, he was totally exhausted after ten rounds while Battling Jim was the fresher of the two.
Still repeating the same old tired lies. Johnson drew the color line was champion. Almost lost to a cherry pick who he accepted a mere $1,000 to fight.
Johnson claimed he was 185 for the Langford fight, but was 205 for the Jeannette fight just five months later. He packed on 20 pounds of muscle in just 5 months? Doubtful. More like Langford was correct when he insisted Jack was closer to 195 or better when they fought.
Klompton is a notorious Dempsey hater and not a credible source. Any so-called historian who demonstrates that much bias is blinded to the facts.
No, I don't believe Langford or Jeannette were lying about their weights. You never told us who weighed them. What were their names?
The early days of established weight classes saw a lot of corruption by managers and promoters. Rigging scales was a common practice for shady managers and promoters. How much did they truly and accurately weigh over 100 years ago? That's anyone's guess. Even today there are disparities in weight that are questionable from day prior weigh-in to actual weight on fight night.
Do me a favour Ghost of Dumpster , make your own threads for your own agenda.
You got caught with your panties around your ankles. Now it's the injured arm excuse, yet you never mentioned the arm, you insisted he didn't struggle and demanded sources. Turns out you were one of the sources. oops! It wasn't just Johnson's arm either, he was totally exhausted after ten rounds while Battling Jim was the fresher of the two.
Still repeating the same old tired lies. Johnson drew the color line was champion. Almost lost to a cherry pick who he accepted a mere $1,000 to fight.
Johnson claimed he was 185 for the Langford fight, but was 205 for the Jeannette fight just five months later. He packed on 20 pounds of muscle in just 5 months? Doubtful. More like Langford was correct when he insisted Jack was closer to 195 or better when they fought.
Klompton is a notorious Dempsey hater and not a credible source. Any so-called historian who demonstrates that much bias is blinded to the facts.
No, I don't believe Langford or Jeannette were lying about their weights. You never told us who weighed them. What were their names?
The early days of established weight classes saw a lot of corruption by managers and promoters. Rigging scales was a common practice for shady managers and promoters. How much did they truly and accurately weigh over 100 years ago? That's anyone's guess. Even today there are disparities in weight that are questionable from day prior weigh-in to actual weight on fight night.
Do me a favour Ghost of Dumpster , make your own threads for your own agenda.
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT VITALI KLITSCHKO!
NOW F.O . !!!
Are you seeing ghosts now Ebenezer?
We know what the thread is about, you hijacked your own thread trying to trip up Dr. Z with your recycled questions. Now it's up for any and all discussion.
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