Is Mayweather A Divisional Goat?

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah but the easy way to not get knocked cold is donât take dangerous fights. Let alone 4 matches with your nemesis. Pacquiao fought much stiffer competition than Floyd did. The barrera, Morales , Marquez trio at their prime weights is simply much better competition than âalways having an advantageâ mayweather. The odds were never stacked against him. The best win on Floyd resume is De La Hoya, because it was the only risk he ever took. And damn it was a close fight

The idiocy doesn’t stop, it seems.

You understand how moronic you sound here? Or do you actually not?

[Mr Mitts]

Right right yes just totally ignore what was said and go to ad hominem instead, that’ll work a treat!

Based on what do the rankings (that we all have referred to for the last 100+ years when judging fighters careers and accomplishments) become less meaningful geometrically as you descend through them? Explain how you have come to that conclusion.

Once we get to that bottom of that, then we can move on to why rankings seemingly count for every single fighter in history except Mayweather.

There am more accuracy rating #1 and #2 than there am rating #48 and #49, therefore more meaning to the ranking.. There are a heck of a lot more guys who might be 48th than there are who might be #1, There am a much larger field at the bottom than the top. I don't know how you could dispute that, but...

[IronDanHamza]

There am more accuracy rating #1 and #2 than there am rating #48 and #49, therefore more meaning to the ranking.. There are a heck of a lot more guys who might be 48th than there are who might be #1, There am a much larger field at the bottom than the top. I don't know how you could dispute that, but...

Well, that would make sense if there wasn’t only 10 positions per division in the rankings.

So…?

[Coverdale]

Mayweather divides opinion. If you legitimately enjoyed watching his fights then you will be more inclined to defend him. Those who didn't enjoy watching him will be more inclined to find holes. My problem with his advocates is that they look for some pathology in the minds of his critics rather than maturely accept the difference of opinion.

The Money years were pretty dull. Lots of athleticism and technical point scoring, very little entertainment. Money's advocates will claim we're too uneducated to properly interpret what we think we're seeing. Occam's razor gets us to a much simpler explanation: some boxing fans just found him boring.

Had he taken the show on the road as his team kept saying he would, before we got the inevitable Vegas/Bayless announcement, he almost certainly would have dropped a few decisions.

[QueensburyRules]

Actually no.

Pacquaio holds the record with 8, Mayweather is 2nd with 7.

- - Not gonna do the math for the math illiterate, but l'l floydy a distant 4th or 5th at best.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Not gonna do the math for the math illiterate, but l'l floydy a distant 4th or 5th at best.

Well no, he’s objectively 2nd (to Pacquaio) Do you know that word, “objective?” It means it’s not up for debate you stupid cunt.

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather divides opinion. If you legitimately enjoyed watching his fights then you will be more inclined to defend him. Those who didn't enjoy watching him will be more inclined to find holes. My problem with his advocates is that they look for some pathology in the minds of his critics rather than maturely accept the difference of opinion.

The Money years were pretty dull. Lots of athleticism and technical point scoring, very little entertainment. Money's advocates will claim we're too uneducated to properly interpret what we think we're seeing. Occam's razor gets us to a much simpler explanation: some boxing fans just found him boring.

Had he taken the show on the road as his team kept saying he would, before we got the inevitable Vegas/Bayless announcement, he almost certainly would have dropped a few decisions.

You don’t know that. Are we talking fantasy fights here, or real ones? Because a few implies more than 2, and only 2 fights in Floyd’s career were debatable who won (Maidana 1 and Castillo 1)

Would those have gone the other way in Mexico and Argentina? I mean, maybe, maybe not. He legitimately won both. So, he could easily have got the decision if those fights took place anywhere in the world

[dan_cov]

I didn't think Maidana 1 was debatable
Very close and competitive but Floyd clearly won (7-5 is the worst I see and I've really tried to make a case) I always see it the same way 7-5 that's with me giving Maidana the benefit of the doubt with a swing round so 7-5 or 8-4 even.
I don't think every close fight means it could have been a draw or gone the other way.
I even rewatched this with some friends who was arguing Maidana won and we all came away in agreement Floyd took it.

Castillo I had winning, only debateable one for me in his career.

[dan_cov]

I mean I guess it is debatable as we still do debate it lol but I just do not realistically see a case for Maidana

[Coverdale]

You don’t know that. Are we talking fantasy fights here, or real ones? Because a few implies more than 2, and only 2 fights in Floyd’s career were debatable who won (Maidana 1 and Castillo 1)

Would those have gone the other way in Mexico and Argentina? I mean, maybe, maybe not. He legitimately won both. So, he could easily have got the decision if those fights took place anywhere in the world

Okay, let's go with those two fights lest we get sidetracked into a tedious secondary argument. You would have to extend the counterfactual beyond just the exact same fight taking place in a different country. Floyd would also be less likely to get away with his persistent fouling, primarily in the form of excessive holding, elbows and pushing the head down. The fight begins to look different then, with Floyd being forced to fight more on the inside.