Is Mayweather A Divisional Goat?

[Mr Mitts]

Well in Floyd’s case these so called “names” were all ranked in the Top 3 of the divison minimum, most of which were ranked #1 in the division and/or in the Top 10 P4P list when the fights took place.

I said others believe they perceived it. But of course a ranking can have almost no meaning. In a sense they do not anyway. They are entirely made up. If there were any truth, honesty or merit to the system the rankings of the 4 major orgs would be near clones of one another, whereas in reality they are vastly dissimilar. They might even be for different sports, a stranger might surmise, with different champions like and all.

I am far more interested in the best available fighter than his rating, as history and the history section have taught me to be. This is in a general sense, so applies to every fighter. Whether it applies to Floyd or not, and how much are essential questions for any champions, especially after they become champions.

Some people feel what I just said. They are charging Lil' of cherry picking and failure to pursue legacy passionately by willingness to fight anyone any time. Fans do want to see great fighters climb the peaks they imagine them capable of. And they cannot stop adoring those who do try and do not look for an easy path. I am not the prosecutor here. The real prosecutors are here. You have given the defense's opening statement. The prosecutors must come forward if there is to be a trial.

[IronDanHamza]

I said others believe they perceived it. But of course a ranking can have almost no meaning. In a sense they do not anyway. They are entirely made up. If there were any truth, honesty or merit to the system the rankings of the 4 major orgs would be near clones of one another, whereas in reality they are vastly dissimilar. They might even be for different sports, a stranger might surmise, with different champions like and all.

I am far more interested in the best available fighter than his rating, as history and the history section have taught me to be. This is in a general sense, so applies to every fighter. Whether it applies to Floyd or not, and how much are essential questions for any champions, especially after they become champions.

Some people feel what I just said. They are charging Lil' of cherry picking and failure to pursue legacy passionately by willingness to fight anyone any time. Fans do want to see great fighters climb the peaks they imagine them capable of. And they cannot stop adoring those who do try and do not look for an easy path. I am not the prosecutor here. The real prosecutors are here. You have given the defense's opening statement. The prosecutors must come forward if there is to be a trial.

How can a ranking have no meaning? It has the opposite of no meaning. It is how we judge the boxers and how we’ve done it for over 100 years of boxing history.

People can say that they want, that’s where “no meaning” comes into play. The accomplishments achieved are what stand.

Floyd Mayweather’s accomplishments speak for themself.

[Mr Mitts]

How can a ranking have no meaning? It has the opposite of no meaning. It is how we judge the boxers and how we’ve done it for over 100 years of boxing history.

People can say that they want, that’s where “no meaning” comes into play. The accomplishments achieved are what stand.

Floyd Mayweather’s accomplishments speak for themself.

But I didn't say it had no meaning, you just did. All I did was point out some fallible features of multiple orgs given equal power to rate.

[IronDanHamza]

But I didn't say it had no meaning, you just did. All I did was point out some fallible features of multiple orgs given equal power to rate.

You quite literally just said a ranking can have no meaning. To which I responded with how can that be? So no, I didn’t say it. You said it.

I didn’t say anything about “multiple orgs” or “orgs” at all I said the rankings, which have been used for 100+ years. I.e The Ring Magazine

[Mr Mitts]

You quite literally just said a ranking can have no meaning. To which I responded with how can that be? So no, I didn’t say it. You said it.

I didn’t say anything about “multiple orgs” or “orgs” at all I said the rankings, which have been used for 100+ years. I.e The Ring Magazine

It am indeed possible for a ranking to have almost no meaning. In fact, when 4 different orgs are doing the ranking and you see how wildly divergent they are, it should open any eyes to the idea that some skullduggery am likely afoot. Rankings are not to be trusted with an innocent heart. They give a general indication at best, except in the most obvious cases where the #1 challenger am very clear. It will be more fuzzy at #2, and even more fuzzy at #3 with the fuzziness increasingly greater, with each step down in rank.

Be aware, sir, I am not saying ranking systems are not the best way we have, besides our own eyes, of making these finer and finer distinctions between fighters' rightful places in line, because that would be untrue. I am saying they are fallible, inaccurate, unscientific, possibly not sincere and increasingly fuzzier proceeding downwards. In fact, after our own eyes, ranking systems am not only the best thing we have to to go by, but the only thing we have to go by.

In theory, it should be easy, right? The champ always fights his #1 contender and the rest fight it out to climb the ladder. We know it am barely a rough approximation of that, at its very best. Ideally it goes like that. But scheduling am a problem right away, if nothing else.

The fighters cannot fight all on the same day exactly 4 months apart so that all schedules are aligned and stay that way. Or can they? 50 different schedules makes it hard for all the right people to be fighting each other and still be able to do that next time too. Ratings could stay accurate to the penny with block scheduling and be more meaningful.

But, alas, that stinks, and it shrinks profits and fighting fees and sentences boxing to death. People get injured and fights have to be rescheduled, am sport of boxing everyday reality.


#1 Ratings are geometrically less reliable and meaningful the lower you go.

We mean honest ratings, the best attempts.

[IronDanHamza]

It am indeed possible for a ranking to have almost no meaning. In fact, when 4 different orgs are doing the ranking and you see how wildly divergent they are, it should open any eyes to the idea that some skullduggery am likely afoot. Rankings are not to be trusted with an innocent heart. They give a general indication at best, except in the most obvious cases where the #1 challenger am very clear. It will be more fuzzy at #2, and even more fuzzy at #3 with the fuzziness increasingly greater, with each step down in rank.

Be aware, sir, I am not saying ranking systems are not the best way we have, besides our own eyes, of making these finer and finer distinctions between fighters' rightful places in line, because that would be untrue. I am saying they are fallible, inaccurate, unscientific, possibly not sincere and increasingly fuzzier proceeding downwards. In fact, after our own eyes, ranking systems am not only the best thing we have to to go by, but the only thing we have to go by.

In theory, it should be easy, right? The champ always fights his #1 contender and the rest fight it out to climb the ladder. We know it am barely a rough approximation of that, at its very best. Ideally it goes like that. But scheduling am a problem right away, if nothing else.

The fighters cannot fight all on the same day exactly 4 months apart so that all schedules are aligned and stay that way. Or can they? 50 different schedules makes it hard for all the right people to be fighting each other and still be able to do that next time too. Ratings could stay accurate to the penny with block scheduling and be more meaningful.

But, alas, that stinks, and it shrinks profits and fighting fees and sentences boxing to death. People get injured and fights have to be rescheduled, am sport of boxing everyday reality.


#1 Ratings are geometrically less reliable and meaningful the lower you go.

We mean honest ratings, the best attempts.

So you are again saying that rankings can mean nothing. Even though you tried to say it was me saying that, when it wasn’t.

You’ve just brought up the org rankings again despite the fact I’m quite positive I just explained to that’s not what’s being referred to. Why have you done that?

I’ll say it again, perhaps it will land. The boxing rankings have been active for over 100 years (NOT the org rankings). They have been referred to for all rankings that entire time. We cite them ALL THE TIME on this site and in this section.

Yet, when it comes to Mayweather for some strange reason, and the fact he’s probably beaten more #1 ranked fighters (at the time of the fight at the weight class being fought in) than anyone in history, the goalposts gets moved and the kinda crap you’re spouting gets spouted to deflect from the fact his achievements in boxing are both EXTREMELY impressive and rare.

Mayweather’s accomplishments speak for themself. There is a reason there are very few boxers in the history of boxing have those kind of accolades.

[Mr Mitts]

So you are again saying that rankings can mean nothing. Even though you tried to say it was me saying that, when it wasn’t.

You’ve just brought up the org rankings again despite the fact I’m quite positive I just explained to that’s not what’s being referred to. Why have you done that?

I’ll say it again, perhaps it will land. The boxing rankings have been active for over 100 years (NOT the org rankings). They have been referred to for all rankings that entire time. We cite them ALL THE TIME on this site and in this section.

Yet, when it comes to Mayweather for some strange reason, and the fact he’s probably beaten more #1 ranked fighters (at the time of the fight at the weight class being fought in) than anyone in history, the goalposts gets moved and the kinda crap you’re spouting gets spouted to deflect from the fact his achievements in boxing are both EXTREMELY impressive and rare.

Mayweather’s accomplishments speak for themself. There is a reason there are very few boxers in the history of boxing have those kind of accolades.

Your post actually proves, and I hate to say it, I really do, lad, that you am so dumb you need help taking a shit. Damn, I hate to break the news.

The point am, idy-bitwit, that rankings become less reliable and meaningful geometrically as you descend through them. What do you have to say about that? Anything? That am the sub-subject at this very moment. If you cannot respond directly at least to that claim, you am of no further use in this offshoot. I do not want your own actions and posts to imply you do not know what geometrically am, and for everyone else to see that.

[QueensburyRules]

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[them_apples]

I pin TRT every week. Just like you admitted you do

All of a sudden? I never change. Your post is retarded. Most of them are but that one even more so than usual.

I admitted I pin trt every week??? Where did I say I pin trt every week?? Confused

[them_apples]

Your post actually proves, and I hate to say it, I really do, lad, that you am so dumb you need help taking a shit. Damn, I hate to break the news.

The point am, idy-bitwit, that rankings become less reliable and meaningful geometrically as you descend through them. What do you have to say about that? Anything? That am the sub-subject at this very moment. If you cannot respond directly at least to that claim, you am of no further use in this offshoot. I do not want your own actions and posts to imply you do not know what geometrically am, and for everyone else to see that.

Hes not dumb he just roid rages hard thats all. Put him in his place when he needs it